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 Post subject: Britain might ditch the Pound
New postPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2008 6:31 pm 
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Britain is considering joining the eurozone as a direct consequence of global financial turmoil, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said Sunday.

"We are now closer than ever before. I'm not going to break the confidentiality of certain conversations, but some British politicians have already told me: 'If we had the euro, we would have been better off'," Barroso told a weekly French news programme, referring to the fall in the pound's value since markets and liquidity meltdown earlier this year.

"The British have an enormous quality, one of many, that is they are pragmatic," he said on the panel of a joint RTL-LCI radio and television broadcast. "This crisis has emphasised the importance of the euro, and also of Britain," he added.

"I don't mean this will happen tomorrow, I know that the majority (of British people) are still opposed, but there is a period of consideration underway and the people which matter in Britain are currently thinking about it," the former Portuguese prime minister said.

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Okay,

maybe that's just me but why would the Eurozone want to tie another weight to itself? Or is this an attempt by Britain to wash itself clean of all the bad stuff, set an extremely low exchange rate (say, 10p per Euro?) and rid itself of the debt that way?

I can hear some heads explode just about now by certain commentators in the UK.


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And because of British arrogance, they are going to get a lousy deal when the day comes to finally exchange those Pounds for Euros.

The decision not to join the Eurozone during the early part of this decade will go down in British history as one of their worst economic decisions.

It now takes 84 Pounds to buy 100 Euros, up from around 66 Pounds just two years ago.

By the time the British get around to fully joining the Eurozone, we could be looking at parity between the Euro and Pound.

If the Pound falls to parity, the average Briton would be looking at a massive hit to his standard of living.

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Economically unwise, perhaps. But I for one am surprised average Briton went along with a French and German led superstate to begin with.. and once you lose your currency, you're hardly a nation at all.

You are right, though.. as bitter a pill it may be to swallow, looks like they'd been better to join up sooner.


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Economically unwise, perhaps. But I for one am surprised average Briton went along with a French and German led superstate to begin with.. and once you lose your currency, you're hardly a nation at all.

You are right, though.. as bitter a pill it may be to swallow, looks like they'd been better to join up sooner.


The majority of British trade is with Eurozone countries.

Britain's trade deficit with the Eurozone is exploding.

Money will continue to flow out of the UK and the Pound will continue to devalue until they make the inevitable switch to the Euro.

The sooner they do it, the better off they will be.

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Just like Iceland. This is what happens when you copy [s]the american[/s] a broken system, the flaws become worse.


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who would want to join the euro ?

wishful thinking on behalf of the europhiles IMO.

if there was a vote we'd reject the euro , thats why you don't hear about it anymore - ask Tony Blair , he would LOVE the UK to join the euro ....

as for money leaving the UK for europe - well it wont stop if we join will it ? ask Scotland ...... or Wales for that matter.

the uk is welcome to the euro zone because of oil , fish and mostly because we are a net contributer to the european empire.

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I listened to RTL in the car last night. Baroso was merely intimating that, in private, Brown admitted to wanting to have the Euro. There's a world of difference between this and actually going ahead with it.

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I listened to RTL in the car last night. Baroso was merely intimating that, in private, Brown admitted to wanting to have the Euro. There's a world of difference between this and actually going ahead with it.


Yeah, that's true. Most of the governments have known that it would be good for the UK to have been in the eurozone, but they had conversion problems on the run-up and dumped the ERM. But because the UK is in deficit territory with the rest of the EU, and in a separate currency that's losing value against the common currency of the great majority of their trading partners, they're losing a lot more than they would if they were simply in deficit territory within the eurozone. Really, it's in their interests to join to ameliorate the fall. It's in Europe's interests, too, because they don't need Britain to turn into a black hole, half-in and half-out of the Union.

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The UK is one of the largest net contributors to the EU Budget. Only Germany has a larger deficit with the EU (but what's new?).

On a per capita basis, the UK ranks fifth in terms of net contributions to Europe.

The cost of absorbing Britain into the Eurozone has to be compared to the benefits of having a fiscally stable Britain that can continue to throw money into the EU budget.

If the economic downturn continues to disproportionately hurt Britain, I wouldn't put it past them to start demanding more of their money back.

Allowing the UK into the Eurozone might be one way to avoid this potentially nasty confrontation.

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Friedman’s euro crisis is proving to be improbable
Many euro skeptics have argued that the worst is yet to come, but given recent events, it is now they who bear the burden of proof

By Barry Eichengreen

Monday, Dec 01, 2008

The global financial crisis has breathed new life into hoary arguments about the euro’s imminent demise. Such arguments often invoke Milton Friedman, who warned in 1998 that Europe’s commitment to the euro would be tested by the first serious economic downturn. That downturn is now upon us, but the results have been precisely the opposite of what Friedman predicted.

Unemployment is rising — and with it populist posturing. In countries like Italy, already suffering from Chinese competition, and Spain, which is experiencing a massive housing bust, the pain will be excruciating. Yet neither country shows any inclination to abandon the euro.

They understand that even whispering about that possibility would panic investors. They see how countries like Denmark that maintained their own currencies have been forced to raise interest rates to defend their exchange rates when the US Federal Reserve and the European Central Bank are cutting interest rates. They see how, if there was still a lira or a peseta, they would be experiencing capital flight. They understand that they would have to fend off an old-fashioned currency crisis at the worst possible time. They appreciate that there is stability and security in numbers.

Similarly, the euro-collapse scenario in which such countries successfully pressure the European Central Bank (ECB) to inflate, compelling Germany to abandon the euro, has shown no signs of developing. The ECB, protected by statutory independence and a price-stability mandate, has shown no inclination to accede to pressure from French President Nicolas Sarkozy or anyone else.

One can argue that the worst is yet to come — that there will be more inflation and unemployment down the road — and that, when they come, the euro area will collapse. Euro skeptics always make this argument. But, given recent events, it is now they who bear the burden of proof.

What neither Friedman nor anyone else anticipated in 1998 was that the first serious downturn following the advent of the euro would coincide with the mother of all financial crises. Runs by panicked investors have required central banks to undertake unprecedented lender-of-last-resort operations. Extensive loan losses have required expensive bank recapitalization operations.

There have been predictions that governments stretched to the limit by the financial crisis might respond by abandoning the euro. They might resort to the inflation tax and inject the national currency to restore liquidity to their banking systems and financial markets.

In fact, the response has been the opposite. The ECB has provided essentially unlimited amounts of liquidity to euro-area financial systems. The Stability and Growth Pact has been relaxed in order to increase governments’ capacity to borrow to recapitalize their banks.

It is European countries outside the euro area, still with their own currencies, that have suffered the gravest difficulties. Because their currencies are not widely used internationally, many of their bank liabilities are in euros. This renders them dependent on interest rate hikes to attract — via the market and on swap lines from the ECB — the euro liquidity that their banks desperately need. So far, those swaps have been forthcoming, but with delay and political baggage attached.

The implication is clear. National banking systems need a lender of last resort. In small countries, where a significant share of bank liabilities is in someone else’s currency, the national central bank lacks this capacity. The only options are then to slap draconian controls on the banking system or join the euro area.

Given the difficulty of rolling back the financial clock and the constraints of the Single Market, it is clear which way European countries will move. One already sees a shift in public opinion toward euro adoption in Denmark and Sweden. Poland has reiterated its commitment to adopting the euro. Hungary is certain to do likewise.

Obviously, the crisis will be economically and financial challenging for Eastern Europe. It will heighten the difficulty of meeting the convergence criteria for euro adoption. But it will also heighten the will to succeed.

The implication, then, is a larger euro area, not a smaller one, as more countries see the writing on the wall. Indeed, there are already signs of countries not even in the EU, notably Iceland and Switzerland, contemplating accession as a step toward adopting the euro and resolving their financial dilemma.

The one exception is probably Britain, whose currency is used internationally as a legacy of its history. In any case, Britain has always had one foot in Europe and one foot out. It is conceivable, therefore, that Europe will have two currencies, the euro and sterling, in the long run. But having three currencies, much less three dozen, is out of the question.

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Just like Iceland. This is what happens when you copy [s]the american[/s] a broken system, the flaws become worse.


Yes, because America pioneered the current financial systems..... :roll:

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Britain will join Euro at the very time when Euro itself will be collapsing. :-D

With Poland it will even be worst.
Our president will sign Euro joining bill few months/years after Euro ceased to exist.


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With Poland it will even be worst.
Our president will sign Euro joining bill few months/years after Euro ceased to exist.


That sounds about par for the course for Poland, yeah... :lol:

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Just like Iceland. This is what happens when you copy [s]the american[/s] a broken system, the flaws become worse.


The irony being of course that the Brits ORIGINATED the system. I can't think of any greater justice than this being one of the first to go here. Sympathies to the Brit working man of course.

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