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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 net oil importing and exporting countries.
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i guess we are just as addicted to oil as you guys then

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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 net oil importing and exporting countries.
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Thats all well and good but when we do a side by side like this

1 United States 13,150,000 2004

2 Japan 5,449,000 2001

3 China 3,181,000 2005

4 Netherlands 2,284,000 2001
6 Italy 2,158,000 2001
7 Germany 2,135,000 2003
9 France 1,890,000 2005
10 Spain 1,582,000 2001
11 United Kingdom 1,084,000 2003
12 Belgium 1,042,000 2001
14 Turkey 616,500 2001
15 Sweden 553,100 2001
17 Greece 468,300 2001
19 Poland 413,700 2001

These 11 European countries with an area and population quite similer to the USA import 14,226,600. Leave out the UK because they still export part of the time and you still get 13,142,600


you gotta subtract what the netherlands and France re-export too, as you see they are in the top 20 exporters list as well as in the importers list.

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Thats all well and good but when we do a side by side like this

1 United States 13,150,000 2004

2 Japan 5,449,000 2001

3 China 3,181,000 2005

4 Netherlands 2,284,000 2001
6 Italy 2,158,000 2001
7 Germany 2,135,000 2003
9 France 1,890,000 2005
10 Spain 1,582,000 2001
11 United Kingdom 1,084,000 2003
12 Belgium 1,042,000 2001
14 Turkey 616,500 2001
15 Sweden 553,100 2001
17 Greece 468,300 2001
19 Poland 413,700 2001

These 11 European countries with an area and population quite similer to the USA import 14,226,600. Leave out the UK because they still export part of the time and you still get 13,142,600


you gotta subtract what the netherlands and France re-export too, as you see they are in the top 20 exporters list as well as in the importers list.


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top 20 oil importers

1 United States 13,150,000 2004

2 Japan 5,449,000 2001

3 China 3,181,000 2005

4 Netherlands 2,284,000 2001
6 Italy 2,158,000 2001
7 Germany 2,135,000 2003
9 France 1,890,000 2005
10 Spain 1,582,000 2001
11 United Kingdom 1,084,000 2003
12 Belgium 1,042,000 2001
14 Turkey 616,500 2001
15 Sweden 553,100 2001
17 Greece 468,300 2001
19 Poland 413,700 2001

top 20 oil exporters

11 United Kingdom 1,498,000 2001
12 Netherlands 1,418,000 2001
20 France 474,200 2005

15 United States 1,048,000 2004


OK same countries as before from the top twenty lists.

USA net imports 12,102,000
European 11 net imports 10,836,400
The difference is 10.5% with Europe being that much more efficient in sucking up Petroleum to provide very similer standards of living.

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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 net oil importing and exporting countries.
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But those countries together comprise over 500 million people, whereas the US comprises 300 million.


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But those countries together comprise over 500 million people, whereas the US comprises 300 million.


Show me the census figures for those 11 countries listed.

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 Post subject: Re: Top 10 net oil importing and exporting countries.
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But those countries together comprise over 500 million people, whereas the US comprises 300 million.


Show me the census figures for those 11 countries listed.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_member_states_by_population

a total of 496 million. Turkey has 71 million people in it.

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But those countries together comprise over 500 million people, whereas the US comprises 300 million.


Show me the census figures for those 11 countries listed.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_member_states_by_population

a total of 496 million. Turkey has 71 million people in it.


Using only the 11 countries named in the earlier post plus turkey I get a figure of 455,827,209
That gives 10,836,400/Europe+Turkey=.024 bbl/person/day and for the USA 12,102,000/301,789,000= .04bbl/person/day.

No matter how you slice it the fact remains these major European countries are a major importing group.

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I don't see how you can extrapolate oil consumption from these figures. Oil produced and consumed internally (e.g. by the USA) doesn't show up on the figures.

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I don't see how you can extrapolate oil consumption from these figures. Oil produced and consumed internally (e.g. by the USA) doesn't show up on the figures.


very true, also Europe also sends about a million barrels worth of refined to the US (probably a fair share of that coming from Netherland)

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I don't see how you can extrapolate oil consumption from these figures. Oil produced and consumed internally (e.g. by the USA) doesn't show up on the figures.


I thought it was perfectly clear from the context that I was referring to oil imports, sorry for any confusion on that point.

If you want to talk about those kind of totals you have to add in Norway and possibly a couple others to the list, I thought 11 European states were sufficient. Taken as a whole most of the oil exported from Norway ends up being imported in other European countries, which certainly should fit your requirement of internal consumption. That would add about 3.4 Mbbl/day to the European total while adding USA internal production adds about 5.5Mbbl/day. I tried to keep things as simple as possible (The KISS principle) by using just the data from the first page listing the top 20 countries in each catagory, Norway is not an importer at all so only shows up on the export list.

By the same token every country you add to the European list adds demand below the top 20 threshold that becomes increasingly difficult to find and corolate accurately. You are welcome to look up all the figures and do the math and post the results if you think my method was inaccurate or misleading.

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I don't see how you can extrapolate oil consumption from these figures. Oil produced and consumed internally (e.g. by the USA) doesn't show up on the figures.


very true, also Europe also sends about a million barrels worth of refined to the US (probably a fair share of that coming from Netherland)


So do some math and post your own results.

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we need stu to do another list

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