THE Peak Oil & the MSM ('08) Thread (merged) Archived

lowem · **Posted:** Mon May 26, 2008 4:51 am

So it took $130+ oil to finally do the trick, huh :lol:

Roy · **Posted:** Mon May 26, 2008 7:15 am

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HA!

Anybody stocking up and preparing for societal collapse would only be marginally better off if indeed TS-does-HTF. If things get that bad, then surely, starving bands of zombie people will find you, find your dwindling stash of supplies, and will raid your lil' parsnip garden. And even if a survivalist can hide really well, what happens as the years go by and shit runs out or breaks down? What happens when your solar electricity inverter craps out and you are in the middle of nowhere? What happens when you can't get good pesticide and some bug infestation is eating all your cabbage? There is a gazzilion things that can go wrong and there is probably no way to fully prepare. And even if there were away to build an impenetrable lifeboat, life will surely be miserable there. So what's the point? It it so someone can get old, have their health go to hell and have no doctor to relieve the pain and suffering?

Screw it. If the ship goes down, I'm going down with it. And, in the mean time, I don't have to live like a survivalist.

I just couldn't let this go. You logic goes something like this:

Yes, screw it. I'll continue smoking cigarettes and injecting heroin, because, you know, I'm going to die anyway. Research shows that all humans die so what good does it do to to deprive oneself the pleasure of nicotine and opiates? The chance of living a few more miserable years without those wonderful pleasures?

Brilliant!!!

Yes, please do your part, don't prepare; because to do so would be quite useless. Who in their right mind would want to live like a 'survivalist' anyway?

I'm sure there will be a spot in some FEMA 'relief center' with your name on it.

Talk about self-fulfilling prophecy. Party on dude!!

mgibbons19 · **Joined:** Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:00 am **Posts:** 1149

IndigoMoon wrote:

I found this site because of the msnbc.com article. It was posted at another forum that I frequent. I am really not sure what time today I joined, it was around 1pm est. I have been here all day. I have read many of the threads. I have downloaded many of the resources. I have bookmarked many of the sites. This is my very first post. Thank you for being here.

Welcome. It can be a little intense while you upload it all ("whoa, I just learned jujitsu").

Happy reading.

Lumpy · **Posted:** Mon May 26, 2008 7:29 am

Front page of the newspaper of nearest/only "city" within 2.5 hours of this area. (30K population)

This paper usually caters more to local info. Not a lot of national/international news coverage. So this was a pretty big deal -- giving it coverage.

Lumpy

IndigoMoon · **Posted:** Mon May 26, 2008 10:43 am

joewp wrote:

IndigoMoon wrote:

I found this site because of the msnbc.com article. It was posted at another forum that I frequent. I am really not sure what time today I joined, it was around 1pm est. I have been here all day. I have read many of the threads. I have downloaded many of the resources. I have bookmarked many of the sites. This is my very first post. Thank you for being here.

Welcome, IndigoMoon. You're doing exactly what you should by reading and absorbing as much as you can. Don't be afraid to ask any questions about anything, we don't bite (well most of us don't, and the ones that do are well-meaning).

We who have been around for a while also thank Aaron and all the other people who have made this site a great resource. This website has changed many lives, I'm sure.

Thank you for the warm welcome, I appreciate it. I'll do my best to contribute without acting too "newbie-ish". [smilie=angel7.gif]

Twilight · **Joined:** Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:00 am **Posts:** 3062

So that is what it took - $135 oil, Russia declaring peak and KSA saying they are dropping finds back in the water. Better late than never!

The funny thing is, the facts today are little different to what they were when Hubbert made his world projection in 1974 and reiterated his concern in 1979, supported by Yergin before he presumably decided to become another Yes Man in DC. Hubbert said 1995 peak. Twenty years of technological advancement bought us another ten years. Now we debate whether 2005 was the peak in conventional crude.

Some facts did change - once.

Well congratulations, here are your market signals. Do you like them?

Now alternative energy R&D can really get under way! I hope you had the presence of mind to avoid becoming the collateral damage of that incentive. There is plenty of information here and elsewhere should you decide your present living arrangements have no future at $135 oil and a grocery basket you are forced to charge to credit instead of cash. As ever, alongside daily analysis of insufficient response to circumstances.

Twilight · **Joined:** Fri Mar 02, 2007 1:00 am **Posts:** 3062

That is it in a nutshell.

In fact you could have shortages even with increasing supply, if demand outruns it. It is no longer enough to challenge peak oil as a concept in isolation, now sceptics have to answer awkward questions about global population and economic trends too.

vision-master · **Posted:** Mon May 26, 2008 6:18 pm

NOVA : Peakoil Interview ASPO NL Rembrandt Koppelaar

killJOY · **Posted:** Mon May 26, 2008 6:57 pm

WOw, he is a doll!

TheDude · **Posted:** Mon May 26, 2008 7:11 pm

Very wet behind the ears, yes. Knows his supergiant fields, though.

arretium · **Posted:** Tue May 27, 2008 1:52 pm

usncom wrote:

CNN REALITY CHECK

How is it they can mention all this and not say the word "peak oil". I'm still new here. Is this a dirty word? Does peak oil=doomer in the media's eyes?

The media lives in denial. I really have no idea when, if ever, the media will acknowledge Peak Oil. You have to remember that the media is part of the establishment and that the establishment has a vested interest in keeping things running as it is for as long as they can. To report Peak Oil would contradict their own interests, so they have an incentive not to report. It's like big media reporting on the Bush Administration. They aren't ever going to call out the Bush Admnistration on its lies and deceits because they have a vested interest in keeping good relations with the administration.

charliehelyes · **Joined:** Sun Mar 27, 2005 1:00 am **Posts:** 86

Lorry protest in london children scavenging in asia riots in indonesia- The world wakes up to the oil crises.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/picture_gal ... 7353,.html third newspaper

cowuvula · **Joined:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:00 am **Posts:** 168

SILENTTODD wrote:

vision-master wrote:

RSB wrote:

vision-master wrote:

What's going to happen to places like SoCal?

Before or after the next big earthquake?

vision-master, at least the populace of California won’t freeze when they can no longer afford heating oil or natural gas to heat in the winter like those living in Minnesota may. The prices for those resources will sky rocket long before global warming will make your winters more moderate. Better stock up lots of thermals!

how does that song go
Ther's no rain in california,
But boy, don't they warn ya,
When it pours, man it pours...

Cal is a bad place to be in about 3 years.coastal north ca or oregon is still warm

danbloom · **Joined:** Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:00 am **Posts:** 64

I plan to post here with a followup to Gross AP story here soon.

danbloom · **Joined:** Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:00 am **Posts:** 64

danbloom wrote:

I plan to post here with a followup to Gross AP story here soon.

Also, for my followup, are there any other forum threads here whtere that AP article by Samantha Gross is being discussed, pro or con? Or only this thread?

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