I was quoting Rush when I said the "Liberal Controlled" media but one has to admit that MSNBC and CNN are more to the left and Fox is more to the right.

I listen to Rush all of the time. I gotta admit, I use to hate him and use to listen to him to get my blood boiling but the more I listened, the more I started to agree with him and I have to admit, he is right more times than he is wrong.

With regards to the oil conversations as of late, his argument is as follows:

1) 10 years ago Clinton vetoed a bill that would have allowed us to drill in ANWR. People are now saying that it would take about 10 years to get to the point that we could get 1 million barrels a day out of ANWR which we would be getting right now which would be helping out today.

2) Bush asked Saudi to increase output by 1 million barrels a day, which somebody says (possibly Joe Biden) would lower the price of oil by about $25 a barrel but then quotes Joe Biden as saying that the 1 million barrels a day out of ANWR would only lower oil by a few penny's a barrel (it could be Biden made both statements - not sure on this one) to point out how politics are hard at work.

3) Yesterday or the day before he ran down the states that use the most nuclear power and pointed out that Vermont uses the most but the liberals/congressmen from Vermont are the ones that complain the loudest about no more nuclear power.

4) Dems/liberals/environmentalists won't allow us to build a new refinery anywhere or drill for more oil in ANWR or off the shores of the USA (where China is Drilling) or build nuclear power plants anywhere the turn around and blame Bush/Republicans for the high oil prices which is what the "Drive-By Liberal Controlled" Media reports non-stop.

5) The liberal controlled media (excluding Fox News) will never talk about how the Dems won't allow the items mentioned in point #4 above but they are sure happy to lay the blame on Bush/Republicans. (He also goes on to say that the Republicans are too much of a wuss to call them on it).

6) There is oil galore in the off shore areas of the USA but we are not allowed to explore or drill or anything for that matter but China is there getting tons of the stuff there.

7) Oil will never get to $200 a barrel or $12 a gallon for gas because at some point most people will not be able to afford it and it will level out right about there.

We are really screwed because the 3 candidates for President all buy into the Global Warming Myth so there is no end in sight for helping with the price of oil (his funniest quote of late is the Global Warming "Experts" are now predicting that the Earth will in fact cool down for the next decade or so and then we are really screwed after this when it starts to warm up again - they really, really mean it this time).

9) (While we are on the subject) Global warming is about one thing - money. How will governments around the world be able to soak money out of people with "Carbon Taxes" - that 20ish years ago there was an ice age coming (I remember hearing about this when I was a kid) which became global warming (can't make up their minds on this one). That scientists who speak up against global warming are soon fired or grants cut off, etc so they have no option but to go with the flow and manipulate the data to show global warming is cause by humans (and not part of the natural cycle of the Earth's climate) i.e. ignore the effect on water vapor in the atmosphere (something we cannot control) to manipulate the models to show how the earth will warm up due to man made products. That we can't predict what the weather will be 5 days from now but we know for certain that the world will warm up X number of degrees in the next 10, 20, 30 or more years down the road.

10) The real reason why the oil companies shut down all of the refineries in the 70s is because the environmental constraints placed on keeping them running was not cost effective so they closed them (plus at the time we didn't need them anyway). They were old and the cost to get them up to standard was much more than what they could have made with them. And once again, this same group of people are the same ones that will not let us build new refineries anywhere for any reason.

10) Ethanol and Biofuels are joke. All they have managed to do is raise the price of food, cause food shortages and are no more clean than anything before them. Plus they lowered the effectiveness of fuel so we have to use even more of it to go the same distance. But we are federally mandated to use them

I am almost certain that nobody that posts on this thread has listened to more than an hour of Rush in their lifetime but I agree with him almost 100% on most of these issues (didn't use to but it I have nothing else to do at work with my spare time than to listen to Rush 5 days a week for 3 hours and he grows on you if you get past your anger toward his message and think about what he says).

'Peak oil'
These survivalists believe in "peak oil," the idea that world oil production is set to hit a high point and then decline. Scientists who support the idea say the amount of oil produced in the world each year has already or will soon begin a downward slide, even amid increased demand. But many scientists say such a scenario will be avoided as other sources of energy come in to fill the void.

On the PeakOil.com Web site, where upward of 800 people gathered on recent evenings, believers engage in a debate about what kind of world awaits.

Some members argue there will be no financial crash, but a slow slide into harder times. Some believe the federal government will respond to the loss of energy security with a clampdown on personal freedoms. Others simply don't trust that the government can maintain basic services in the face of an energy crisis.

The powers that be, they've determined, will be largely powerless to stop what is to come.

I'll bet this article is going to cause traffic on this website to skyrocket.

Is Peak Oil mainstream? I think this article answers that question.

Should make a dent, since this was an AP wire story, not just a MSNBC story.

Smile and wave at the nice AP reporter who's reading the site![smilie=adios.gif] Hope he or she posts!

"Some members argue there will be no financial crash, but a slow slide into harder times. Some believe the federal government will respond to the loss of energy security with a clampdown on personal freedoms. Others simply don't trust that the government can maintain basic services in the face of an energy crisis. The powers that be, they've determined, will be largely powerless to stop what is to come."

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These energy survivalists are not leading some sort of green revolution meant to save the planet. Many of them believe it is too late for that, seeing signs in soaring fuel and food prices and a faltering U.S. economy, and are largely focused on saving themselves.

Some are doing it quietly, giving few details of their preparations — afraid that revealing such information as the location of their supplies will endanger themselves and their loved ones. They envision a future in which the nation's cities will be filled with hungry, desperate refugees forced to go looking for food, shelter and water.

These survivalists believe in "peak oil," the idea that world oil production is set to hit a high point and then decline. Scientists who support idea say the amount of oil produced in the world each year has already or will soon begin a downward slide, even amid increased demand. But many scientists say such a scenario will be avoided as other sources of energy come in to fill the void.

On the PeakOil.com Web site, where upward of 800 people gathered on recent evenings, believers engage in a debate about what kind of world awaits.