Check out the FBI's 10 most wanted web site:



Gee they got specific with August 7, 1998...where is September 11, 2001?

But truthers like AP, PA, SPG believe what Fox tell'um...ih well...

It is impossible for me to believe that a passport could survive the impact and resultant explosions. Why, then, only the passport and nothing else ? It would have to survive the initial impact, the flaming explosion, and somehow, magically, not be torn to shreds like the plane and pilots themselves. I am sure you have seen the picts and vids of the impacts.

Alternative explanation ? It was placed there ?

I am not easily led to believe conspiracy theories, but the events surrounding 911 is causing me to take a close second look, and I don't like what I am seeing.

The fact that the OFFICIAL 911 report refused to even look into WTC-7 and the collapse is very telling. They just wanted nothing to do with it, as if it never happened. I cannot explain why. Neither will they.

As I said, I don't readily fall for conspiracy theories. AAMOF, I dismissed outright the theories floating around the net for several years. It is just those nagging questions that keeps me wondering and asking why. There is an overwhelming number of events leading up to, and subsequent to, that day that don't make a lick of sense.

Come on rocc...we've been down this road already. I don't have time to watch television. I'm far too busy spying on truthers and other patriot groups on the internet. Anything I need to know about what I believe is told to me by my agency contact when I drop off my weekly report about you. For example, this week he specifically said that I do not believe in train loads of tanks going to Washington state ten years ago were part of an imminent plan to round up Americans and put them in death camps. He also specifically said that I did not believe that FEMA was working to help the Russians spray Americans in Mississippi with nerve gas.

Strawman...

Let's focus SPG...ok?

OBL IS NOT WANTED BY OUR GOVERNMENT FOR ANY CRIMES ASSOCIATED WITH 911.
Got it?

This debate reminds me of the first 20min of Mike Ruppert's "Truth and Lies of 9/11" video. He shows the famous clip of JFK's head violently snapping backward as a large portion of his skull is blown out the back of his head and how this might be hard to reconcile with the Warren Commission's findings.

I think his point was that some people simply will not change their minds, regardless of the evidence presented. You can argue over controlled demolitions, Executive Orders, signing statements, plastic coffins, interleukin-4 modified pox viruses, etc. until you're blue in the face. Speculation will get you nowhere.

Maybe the US govt is a force for good in the world and we're just suffering a rash of bad luck and incompetence.

I don't think this is the case, however. I look at our crumbling infrastructure, wage disparity, pollution, cronyism and health care and I'm not exactly filled with hope and optimism. I think of how we budget money for weapons and education, world leaders that we support vs those we overthrow, the population of our prisons, the actions of our corporations.

Is the US govt capable of poisoning the planet, killing millions of innocent people, denying the rights of our own citizens while they needlessly suffer? If history is any indicator - they already have.

It is a FACT the OBL is not wanted by the US Gobbermint for any crimes associated with 911.

The FBI said so.

Bush said so.

ZERO speculation here.

So then why again did we bomb Afghanistan?

roccman, I'm aware that the FBI has no hard evidence connecting bin Laden to the 9/11 attacks.

I even have a link for you!
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stor ... n-to-9-11/

I think we're in danger of missing the forest for the trees. Arguing over these individual points really isn't necessary nor productive: just take a look at the world we're living in! My comment regarding speculation was in reference to all the other things mentioned here that are not easily explained by evidence and to the intent of certain actions by our govt.

For instance, why is the CIA preventing my signature from appearing correctly???

Personally I think FEMA is trying, in some lame way, to get ready for a flu pandemic. But who knows?

Because you didn't use the [url] tag?

I mean, I'm perfectly willing to blame the CIA for all kinds of things, but I think this one is all yours.

Unless...YOU work for the CIA...

Such an easy out. Conspiracy theorists need those when nothing happens or nothing is proven.

I think you're overstating your evidence, but I basically agree with you. Who the hijackers were, who they were connected with, how the plot was devised, and whether people connected to the US government played a roll, those are all very interesting and germaine questions. I think they're also very hard to answer which is why the "truth" movement has turned to tin foil hat style stories about buildings being secretly laced with millions of pounds of thermite.

If there was a 911 conspiracy, and I think it's very possible that there was, it was in the form of the FBI infiltration of Earth First back in the 80s. As Judi Bari said, "The first rule of activism is that in any political group, the person who offers to supply dynamite is the FBI agent." I think it's very likely that people connected to the CIA infiltrated a radical Islamic group and convinced members to carry out the hijackings. The thing about such infiltrations is that they're virtually unprovable. That's why a real conspirator would use them and its the reason why the "truth" movement spurns them. Truthers are desperate for proof that something happened even if their "proof" is gross fabrication. An actual viable conspiracy that is well done and well concealed is untenable for their cause so they have to subscribe to a theory where the conspirators post clues all over the internet for them to find.

Evidence is evidence - and the way Conspiracy Theorists (those that believe 19 guys and box cutters, bic lighters, etc) split hairs with "free fall speed" VS "near free fall speed"...and other such stupidity...

OBL not wanted by our gobbermint is a cold hard fact....and cannot be overstated.

Perfect example of what I'm talking about. You can't post a wanted poster and then say he's not wanted. You're not being truthful.

for crimes associated with 911...

holy hell SPG...

really - you are embarrassing yourself.

I stated that more than once above.

FOR CRIMES ASSOCIATED WITH 911...

Jesus fucking H christ!!!!

You CT are nutz in the head.

really...seek help