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pstarr
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Post subject: Re: Cheapeake's massive shale (gas) find in Louisiana Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:16 pm |
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Maddog78 wrote: It's pretty obvious you no longer care whether people take you seriously or not, therefore they don't. 5 million gals/well? What a load of bullshit. You don't have a fucking clue so you continue to just pull facts and figures out of your ass, who cares if they are even close to being accurate. What a tree dwelling loser. To think at one point I even tried to provide accurate information, what a waste of time that was. Enjoy your depressing and doomer outlook and continue to hide in your tree house. Meantime I'll be driving my 911, which I can fill up for only 40 bucks with no line ups, to my 200K a year job to continue providing the U.S. with a secure supply of natural gas and all the time I'll have a smile on my face.  Hey mister expert bookkeeper. Refute this: LinkQuote: According to the U.S. Geological Survey, water used to produce Barnett Shale gas in Denton County averages 2,226 gallons per million cubic feet of gas. There is no way to know for certain how much water is used for each well because, most often, the industry is not required to submit records. Estimates given by the industry itself say approximately 5 million gallons per fracture plus 1 million for drilling. These millions of gallons of fresh water are mixed with sand and a toxic chemical cocktail. That mixture is forced under pressure down the drilling hole to break up or fracture the shale where the gas is trapped. A percentage of this mixture stays underground to migrate who knows where. The rest returns to the surface bringing with it additional toxins such as radioactive waste and hydrocarbons from the shale. There are currently over 10,000 wells in North Texas with thousands more planned, and each well may undergo hydraulic fracture as many as 15 times during the well’s lifetime. I’ve read that over 100,000 wells are planned in the Marcellus Shale. your bidness stinks to high heaven.
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Maddog78
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Post subject: Re: Cheapeake's massive shale (gas) find in Louisiana Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:40 am |
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http://www.cngnow.com/EN-US/Media/Docum ... ay2009.pdf3,5 million is a max. for our area, typically much less than that and that number is coming down all the time due to various conservation methods we're employing. But you don't care, your mind is made up and nothing less than going back to the stone age will make you happy.
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pstarr
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Post subject: Re: Cheapeake's massive shale (gas) find in Louisiana Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:36 am |
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Maddog78 wrote: http://www.cngnow.com/EN-US/Media/Documents/WaterUseFactSheetMay2009.pdf
3,5 million is a max. for our area, typically much less than that and that number is coming down all the time due to various conservation methods we're employing. But you don't care, your mind is made up and nothing less than going back to the stone age will make you happy. I am not the one who's mind is made up. You and short are. You belleve in BAU. You are stuck in the past. You are desperate to maintain business as usual. My mind is not made up. It already changed from being stuck in cheap energy world to understanding that energy and everything will be dear and valuable and shouldn't be wasted on crap. I understand that the times have changed already and that this ridiculous shale gas is just one more nail in the coffin. This stuff is truly unconventional gas and thus in the same league as shale oil, bitumen-sands, corn ethanol, GTL, methane hydrates, etc etc. available only at great energy, economic, and environmental expense. All those inputs; expensive horizontal drilling rigs, huge amounts of pumped and processed water, chemical emulsifiers, fracturing equipment, electricity and diesel etc. is just another indication that the good stuff is gone, the rest will comes out slowly and at great expense, and most important---valuable energy will be lost trying to loot the planet of the last drops and gasps of energy. Crappy EROEI. You called my 5 million/well bullshit. Overstatement perhaps? Or perhaps you have no idea of what is really going on in the world?
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pstarr
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Post subject: Re: Cheapeake's massive shale (gas) find in Louisiana Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:45 am |
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Maddog78 wrote: It's pretty obvious you no longer care whether people take you seriously or not, therefore they don't. 5 million gals/well? What a load of bullshit. You don't have a fucking clue so you continue to just pull facts and figures out of your ass, who cares if they are even close to being accurate. What a tree dwelling loser. To think at one point I even tried to provide accurate information, what a waste of time that was. Enjoy your depressing and doomer outlook and continue to hide in your tree house. Meantime I'll be driving my 911, which I can fill up for only 40 bucks with no line ups, to my 200K a year job to continue providing the U.S. with a secure supply of natural gas and all the time I'll have a smile on my face.  This crap is even more depressing then I thought. I was made an "expert" without personal claim. It has been a joke to me, but you and Shorty are jealous. Your regularly rub your fancy job and title in my nose. "I am an oil well expert" Yeah right. And you had no idea that 5 million barrels water per well is used. Plus you are a planet-raping SOB. Proud to be f@cking up everybody's kids future.
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Post subject: Re: Cheapeake's massive shale (gas) find in Louisiana Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:57 am |
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One issue not mentioned about NG: http://txsharon.blogspot.com/2009/10/human-health-effects-associated-with.htmlQuote: Human Health Effects Associated with Chemicals Detected in the Air in Excess of TCEQ Short-term and Long-term Effects Screening Levels in DISH, Texas From Wilma Subra
Acute Health Effects
Irritates Skin and Eyes - Benzene, Xylenes, Naphthalene, Trimethyl Benzene, Methyl-Methylethyl Benzene, Tetramethyl Benzene, Diethyl Benzene, Carbon Disulfide, Carbonyl Sulfide, Methyl Ethyl Disulfide, Ethyl-Methylethyl Disulfide
Irritates Nose - Benzene, Xylenes, Naphthalene, Diethyl Benzene, Carbonyl Sulfide, Dimethyl Disulfide, Methyl Ethyl Disulfide, Ethyl-Methylethyl Disulfide
_________________ An ideology is by definition not a search for TRUTH-but a search for PROOF that its point of view is right
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Maddog78
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Post subject: Re: Cheapeake's massive shale (gas) find in Louisiana Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:01 pm |
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Now you've gone from gals to barrels? Sounds like you have no idea. Watch your units expert, a fuckup like that in my position would get you fired. pstarr wrote: Maddog78 wrote: It's pretty obvious you no longer care whether people take you seriously or not, therefore they don't. 5 million gals/well? What a load of bullshit. You don't have a fucking clue so you continue to just pull facts and figures out of your ass, who cares if they are even close to being accurate. What a tree dwelling loser. To think at one point I even tried to provide accurate information, what a waste of time that was. Enjoy your depressing and doomer outlook and continue to hide in your tree house. Meantime I'll be driving my 911, which I can fill up for only 40 bucks with no line ups, to my 200K a year job to continue providing the U.S. with a secure supply of natural gas and all the time I'll have a smile on my face.  This crap is even more depressing then I thought. I was made an "expert" without personal claim. It has been a joke to me, but you and Shorty are jealous. Your regularly rub your fancy job and title in my nose. "I am an oil well expert" Yeah right. And you had no idea that 5 million barrels water per well is used. Plus you are a planet-raping SOB. Proud to be f@cking up everybody's kids future.
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Post subject: Re: Cheapeake's massive shale (gas) find in Louisiana Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:11 pm |
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pstarr wrote: You know that shale gas well production collapses monumentally soon after the initial BURP of gas. Why not tell the truth? Or that it takes 5 million gallons of precious water to fract [sic] on [sic] well just once. And that must happen many times. And that well goes BURP soon after. And that it is much too early to even tell if this entire technology is [sic] waste of time because of the above? You are 100% hot air unless you agree to this. Big fat blathering mouth spewing waste and emptyness, devoid of content, unless you put your money where your mouth is. 
_________________ PO. Peak Optimism - when installed natural gas is more than sufficient to maintain installed natural gas. Plus some oil, hydropower, solar, wind, coal and nuclear thrown in for good measure!
Fun new game for peak oilers to play! It's called Follow the Prospects!
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Maddog78
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Post subject: Re: Chesapeake Energy CEO: US soon to be awash in natural gas Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:40 pm |
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Despite his blathering on about high depletion rates, EROEI and the unsustainability of horizontal drilling for natural gas, he won't take that bet because he knows he will lose. He loves the rhetoric but there is no way he will put his money where his mouth is. He knows our costs are coming down all the time and we have nearly filled all available storage. My company alone has over 30 wells drilled that we have not even fracced because there is no room to put it if we do. I know other companies are in the same boat. Even if we do draw down production it will be a very simple matter to double our rig count and get right back to replacing any draw down. This will continue for decades. We have literally hundreds of acres of lease land that we haven't even touched yet. It must really burn his ass that we have managed to make fools of all the doomer prognosticators who went on and on about a n. gas production cliff 3 years ago. 
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OilFinder2
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Post subject: Re: Chesapeake Energy CEO: US soon to be awash in natural gas Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:43 pm |
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BTW, I just realized someone merged my Haynesville shale thread with the general shale gas thread. 
_________________ PO. Peak Optimism - when installed natural gas is more than sufficient to maintain installed natural gas. Plus some oil, hydropower, solar, wind, coal and nuclear thrown in for good measure!
Fun new game for peak oilers to play! It's called Follow the Prospects!
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TheAntiDoomer
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Post subject: Re: Chesapeake Energy CEO: US soon to be awash in natural gas Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:54 am |
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More Shale gas fun OF2. I wonder if these big discoveries will go on for a while.... Another natural gas discovery in north Louisiana could rival the Haynesville Shalehttp://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/ ... overy.htmlQuote: Another natural gas discovery in north Louisiana could rival the Haynesville Shale, which last year incited a gold-rush style drilling boom when it was revealed that the underground rock layer held one of the biggest gas reserves in the country.
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