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AirlinePilot
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Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price records Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:35 am |
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Joined: Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:00 am Posts: 3333 Location: South of Atlanta
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This week Avgas averaging 4.03 and Jetfuel is now at 1.17.
Interestingly enough my airline has recently started upping the cost index used in our flight management systems to improve on time performance. This will directly result in more fuel burned per leg. Offseting this however is the largest percentage of parked aircraft since before or after 9/11 due to economic pressures and demand. We are at nearly 12% of worldwide fleets "parked". This data from recent Aviation Week articles.
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AirlinePilot
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Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price records Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:10 pm |
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Joined: Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:00 am Posts: 3333 Location: South of Atlanta
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Avgas 4.00 even
Jet fuel is back up to 1.29
Interesting that jet fuel has come back up even with the reduction in demand.
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OilFinder2
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Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price records Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 9:26 pm |
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AirlinePilot wrote: Interesting that jet fuel has come back up even with the reduction in demand. Do they require jet fuel refiners to put additives in during the summer like they do for gasoline?
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AirlinePilot
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Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price records Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:24 am |
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I am pretty sure Jet fuel additives are done at delivery time. Not at the refinery. Not 100% sure about this.
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AirlinePilot
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Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price records Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:32 pm |
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Joined: Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:00 am Posts: 3333 Location: South of Atlanta
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Avgas is back up very slightly at 4.05
Jet fuel is ramping up again a bit, it's up to 1.45 this week.
I think this is a refining margin issue instead of a supply and demand one currently.
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AirlinePilot
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Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price records Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 8:12 pm |
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Not too much change but we are up a few cents last few weeks.
Avgas 4.12
Jet Fuel 1.47
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AirlinePilot
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Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price records Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 10:00 pm |
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Continued increases this week...
Avgas 4.17
Jet Fuel 1.54
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AirlinePilot
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Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price records Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 6:01 pm |
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Joined: Tue Apr 05, 2005 12:00 am Posts: 3333 Location: South of Atlanta
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The steady march back up continues.
Jetfuel is at 1.87/gal
Avgas is up to 4.39 this week.
I had really hoped for things to stay at lower numbers for a while longer
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AirlinePilot
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Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price records Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 10:40 am |
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No huge change from last month.
Jetfuel 1.84
Avgas 4.40
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Tanada
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Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price records Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:02 pm |
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AirlinePilot wrote: No huge change from last month.
Jetfuel 1.84
Avgas 4.40 Hi AP, how long would we keep the airlines if they had to pay a 50 cent Federal per gallon tax on jet fuel? If we really need to reduce fossil fuel use killing off or severly reducing the amount of wide body flights in a given year should help.
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AirlinePilot
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Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price records Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:22 pm |
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I hate to say it but the airlines are a significant portion of GDP currently. I think its on the order of 10% maybe a bit more. Any hurt on them further discourages the already in trouble economy. I doubt you'll see anything but more bailout mentality until we just cant do it anymore.
I do agree though FF use needs to be curbed across the board.
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AirlinePilot
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Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price records Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:22 pm |
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Avgas 4.47
Jetfuel 1.76
Both national averages. Seems the demand side for Avgas has picked up(slightly) recently according to a few industry analysts over the last month or two.
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Curmudgicus
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Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price records Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:35 am |
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It is difficult to factor the conflicts in projected demand for air travel against the price of a barrel of oil just now. ATA keeps posting declines in air traffic while predicting that the bottom is close. We sure haven't seen it yet.
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Maddog78
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Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price records Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 8:57 am |
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I know they say traffic is down but every flight I've been on since spring has been right full. These are flights involving Vancouver, Calgary, Tulsa and Dallas. Other areas must be slower?
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SFDukie
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Post subject: Re: Aviation Fuel price records Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:49 am |
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Maddog78 wrote: I know they say traffic is down but every flight I've been on since spring has been right full. These are flights involving Vancouver, Calgary, Tulsa and Dallas. Other areas must be slower? Don't know about Canada, but US carriers have been very agressive at cutting flights-so while passengers are down, so are flights-keeping load capacity flat at pretty high levels. Quote: NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Aerospace stocks got a boost Tuesday after an airline industry report showed average load factors continued to climb despite the decline passenger demand as carriers rolled back seat capacity... However, industry capacity cuts more than offset the fewer number of people flying, lifting the average load factor -- the industry benchmark for tracking the percentage of an airplane filled with passengers -- by 1.2 percentage points to 80.9%, IATA said
Those are worldwide figures. I think US carriers have an average load factor in the mid 80s, and I think that's true for Air Canada as well.
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