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What Does Prepper Food Taste Like?

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After 9/11, my dad filled a duffel bag with some energy bars, a couple gallons of water, some penicillin, and a map. Amid scaremongering headlines about imminent anthrax and “dirty bomb” attacks in the city, he wanted to have some supplies on hand in case we needed to get out of Brooklyn fast. Were he to assemble such a bag today, he’d likely stumble on a number of companies promising a more wholesale brand of disaster preparedness: a box full of shelf-stable freeze-dried meals, to be revived from their dessicated state with the addition of boiled water.

Freeze-dried food is nothing new. As early as the 13th century, the ancient Quechua and Aymara people of Bolivia and Peru pioneered a form of the process by exposing potatoes to the freezing temperatures of the Andes overnight, then drying them in the sun. In 1937, Nestlé used industrial technology to create the world’s first freeze-dried coffee, and in the 60s and 70s, the US military shipped freeze-dried food rations to the troops in Vietnam.

Though its light weight and long shelf life are ideal for navigating harsh conditions, freeze-dried food is probably most famous as a cultural curiosity: Like many Americans, I discovered it in a museum gift shop, gawking at the styrofoam-like ice cream that astronauts used to have for dessert. More recently, I encountered it at a disaster preparedness convention in Raleigh, North Carolina, where smiling, gray-haired preppers manned tables piled with plastic bags full of vegetables, meats, and stews.

Still, these extraterrestrial-looking foodstuffs seem to be having something of a moment: For the past four years, Costco has been selling pallets of shriveled vegetables, fruits, grains, and meats that promise to feed a single family for up to a year—and if you’re not a member, you can purchase similar survival kits, many of which boast a 20- to 30-year shelf life, at Walmart and Target. One top seller, Wise Company, saw its sales nearly double over the past four years, reaching around $75 million, according to a Bloomberg Businessweek cover story last November. The company’s CEO, Jack Shields, told me he estimates the industry as a whole generates between $400 and $450 million annually in retail.

Over the phone from the company’s headquarters in Salt Lake City, Shields attributed the spike to the onslaught of natural disasters that left thousands of Americans without food in 2017, and rattled many more. “You got the hurricane that hit Florida, you got the hurricane that hit the Houston area, you got the hurricane that devastated Puerto Rico,” he said. “Geologists are coming out and saying that California is severely overdue for a big earthquake. You got these major events that are taking place that affect mainstream America. So how do you protect your family?”

This past September, Wise Company’s products proved lifesaving in a very urgent sense: Strapped for rations following the double whammy of Harvey in Texas and Irma in South Florida, FEMA placed an order for 2 million servings of food to relieve Maria’s victims in Puerto Rico. On a typical day, though, its selection of 72-hour, one-week, and one-month survival kits, packaged in boxes that can easily fit under a bed, seems more geared toward everyday Americans looking to prepare for the unknown.

Shields said that the company noticed an uptick in sales in the months leading up to the 2016 presidential election, and, again last year, amid fears of nuclear escalation with North Korea. Like Wise Company’s former CEO Aaron Jackson, whom Bloomberg previously dubbed “America’s Survival Food King,” Shields said he likes to think of Wise’s products as “an insurance policy.”

“If you’re using it for emergency survival, the fact is you’re going to buy it once, and hopefully you’re not going to use it,” Shields said. “But it’s there as a safety net for you and your family.” That’s what intrigued me about freeze-dried food: You can wait up to a quarter-century to use it, but in an ideal world, you wouldn’t have to eat it at all.

Because I couldn’t stop wondering what it would be like to actually live off the stuff, I placed an order for Wise’s Seven Day Emergency Food and Drink Supply, a shoebox-size assortment of breakfast foods, entrées, and dehydrated whey milk substitute, in addition to a few other options I’d discovered online. I wanted to know what an insurance policy tasted like.

One major upside of freeze-dried food is its convenience. Since all its water content has been removed—via a process that involves exposing food to subzero temperatures, while removing the resulting water vapor with a vacuum—it’s easier than canned goods to transport on the fly. To “cook” Wise Company’s six-grain Apple Cinnamon Cereal, you just boil three and a half cups of water, dump in the powdery contents of the bag (minus the oxygen absorber), and cover the pot for 12 to 15 minutes.

In practice, the process can be a bit tricky. Freeze-dried meals require that you have potable water lying around, which might not be the case in the event of a serious calamity (some Wise Company kits include water purifiers). The cooking instructions for the Wise products I tested call for using the entire four-serving bag at once, which means that you have to have a container on hand to store what you don’t eat, and a fridge to keep it from spoiling. Even at my office kitchen, the only way I could make it work was by pouring about a fourth of the packet in a mug, filling it with water, and putting another mug on top of it.

After 15 minutes, I was startled to discover that the cereal had puffed up into a Kashi-like multitude of grains, flecked with tiny pieces of apple, complete with green peel, that looked just-chopped. It didn’t taste as good as it appeared: Eyeballing a fourth of the bag had resulted in a poor distribution of seasoning, yielding a flavor I can only describe as water laced with traces of cinnamon and sugar, though subsequent attempts tasted better.

As the day wore on, I marveled at the way these Mylar bags full of white dust and debris would magically engorge into steaming plates of food, dishes that looked like something one might eat at a 70s diner. The mushrooms in the Savory Stroganoff pasta I had for lunch were strangely chewy, but the cream sauce was convincingly goopy.

After a mishap where I forgot to remove the oxygen absorber from the Potatoes and
Chicken Flavored Pot Pie, I settled on the Southwest Rice and Beans for dinner. It was mostly a lot of rice swimming around in a sludge of lightly spiced tomato sauce, but it went down easily enough.

When I got into bed that night, I noticed I was feeling a little off. Though I’d technically consumed enough calories, my stomach was still gnawing with hunger, and when I woke up the next morning, I felt energyless. I phoned Dr. Lisa Young, a New York–based nutritionist and adjunct professor at NYU, with a question: Is it really possible to live off freeze-dried food?

“The answer is you probably could,” she said. Though research suggests it might cause a mild depletion of vitamin C and other antioxidant chemicals, she explained, freeze-drying fruits and vegetables doesn’t have any significant impact on their nutritional value; packaged as stand-alone ingredients, they can even make for a healthy alternative to more caloric snack foods.

When I described the food I’d be eating that week, she didn’t seem too worried, but advised me to look out for added preservatives and sodium. “Like with anything, I’d rather you have more whole foods,” she said. “If it’s an emergency situation, which hopefully is not a permanent situation, then it’s probably OK.”

Young’s observations rang true: Though the Wise Company meals would keep me alive in the event of an emergency, they were simply a lot more carbheavy, with a lot less animal protein and a lot fewer vegetables, than what I eat on a typical day (many of the Wise meals I bought substituted small globules of vegetable protein for actual meat). For the next two days, I supplemented my diet with freeze-dried vegetables, fruit, and yogurt I’d bought from another company, called Thrive Life, and felt the low-bloodsugar sensation dissipate. (Wise Company also sells individual ingredients, in addition to full meals, but I thought I’d diversify my sources.)


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Still, as I sat at my desk one afternoon, eyeing the colorful salads my coworkers were having for lunch, I realized the absurdity of my experiment: I live in a city with 24/7 access to fresh food and work a job that affords me the privilege of eating healthfully most of the time. Even quibbling over the nutritional content of these freeze-dried meals was something of a luxury, because I wasn’t in a position where I actually needed to eat them. Then again, you never know what’s going to happen.

For experienced preppers like Daisy Luther, founder of the blog The Organic Prepper and the online survival goods store Preppers Market, ready-to-go freeze-dried meals are more of a last line of defense than anything else. Though she insists these products “have their place,” her version of long-term food storage sounds more like a way of life, a process of slowly building up a pantry that will enable her to feed her family as healthfully and economically as possible. Sometimes that means stocking up on the freeze-dried stuff, or buying whatever’s on sale at the supermarket; but it’s also about living in sync with the seasons, growing food in her own garden and using timetested home preservation methods—like canning and dehydrating—to ensure she always has food on hand.

“One misconception about prepping is that you’re always thinking there’s going to be some kind of epic disaster,” she told me over the phone from Virginia. “The most common disaster that we prep for, or that happens to us, is a financial problem.” A longtime single mother, Luther said her interest in food storage grew out of a period of “abject poverty” following the 2008 recession. Lisa Bedford, a Texas-based writer who runs the site The Survival Mom, told me she got into disaster preparedness around the same time, when she wasn’t sure if her husband’s construction business would survive the downturn. (Bedford also works as an independent consultant for Thrive Life, meaning that she promotes their products online, and receives a commission on purchases from customers she refers to the company, as well as a discount on products she buys herself.)

While media coverage has often focused on a certain gun-toting, masculine segment of the subculture, both women described being drawn to prepping as a form of female self-empowerment. As Bedford sees it, finding yourself unprepared in the midst of a crisis can be a “terrible feeling of weakness” for a mother. “It makes sense to be empowered and trained and have the right supplies—and in this case, to have extra food on hand—because as a mom in particular, your family just relies on you,” she said.

That spirit of self-sufficiency runs through the history of American food culture. Lydia Maria Child’s 1829 manual The Frugal Housewife, one of the first American cookbooks ever published, instructed women to contribute to their family’s finances by making sure no scrap of food was wasted: “Nothing should be thrown away so long as it is possible to make any use of it, however trifling that use may be.” The Church of Latter-Day Saints encourages members to keep a three-month food supply on hand at all times, and even sells dehydrated food products on its official website. This Mormon connection may be why Utah is such a freeze-dried food hub: Of 21 freeze-dried food companies I counted online, 16 were from the state, and Bedford told me she first learned about long-term food storage by reading blogs by Mormon women.


In his 2016 book, Can It! The Perils and Pleasures of Preserving Foods, Gary Allen, a food writer and adjunct professor at SUNY Empire State College, traces the evolution of food preservation as a source of culinary innovation. “The original food-preservation methods—like salting and drying and all that—actually turned the food into something else,” he told me over the phone. “Cabbage sauerkraut is not the same thing as cabbage. Wine is not the same thing as grape juice.”

The funny thing about freeze-drying is it’s kind of an exception to the rule. Removing all the water from a floret of broccoli, for example, doesn’t turn it into something new; it simply transforms it into a slightly lesser version of itself. “Once you change the physical structure of something by drying it out all the way,” Allen said, “the texture is never really the same.”

That doesn’t mean that some companies aren’t marketing freeze-dried food as an innovation. After eating the Wise Company meals for three days, I switched to Thrive Life’s Simple Plate program, a Blue Apron–esque service that teaches you how to cook from the company’s store of freeze-dried ingredients, which customers can also get mailed to them in recurring shipments. Unlike Wise Company, Thrive Life’s website makes no mention of emergency preparedness, instead emphasizing the sorts of qualities, like saving money and avoiding waste, that might have appealed to Lydia Maria Child in her time: “These foods won’t spoil in a few days… You won’t be thawing, degreasing, or cutting raw meat. You won’t be chopping veggies or washing and peeling fruit.” I reached out to Thrive Life’s founders to hear more about their rationale for marketing freeze-dried food for everyday use, but didn’t hear back.


After three days eating very little vegetable matter, I was thrilled to dig into Thrive Life’s Tuscan Quinoa Bowl, which included a ratatouille-like sauté combining asparagus, zucchini, and diced tomatoes. The cooking process felt kind of like a science experiment— you fry dehydrated garlic bits in oil, then pour in the dehydrated vegetables and seasoning along with a cup of water—but the result actually tasted like something I might cook at home, minus the strangely firm consistency of the vegetables. The following night, I prepared a Chicken Cranberry Pot Pie, rolling out the dough for the pastry, cooking the filling in a slow cooker, and carefully sealing the pie with the prongs of a fork.

The irony of this didn’t escape me: While I’d been drawn to freeze-dried food as a convenient way of preparing for a cataclysm that may never come, there I was, toiling away for hours in the kitchen to prepare a dish I’d be eating that night and the next day. It was the most fortifying meal I’d eaten all week, and a minor achievement: Thanks to the premeasured portions and easy-to-follow instructions, I’d learned how to make a chicken pot pie from scratch.

If there was anything my freeze-dried food experiment taught me, it was how lucky I was to be able to walk down the street and buy a sandwich whenever I wanted to—but also how far I was from being self-reliant in the more quotidian sense. If freeze-dried meals are becoming increasingly popular in America, then maybe it’s because many of us realize that if something really bad happened, we wouldn’t know the first thing about surviving for a week on the ingredients lying around in our pantry. But as we continue to be bombarded by headlines foreshadowing epic floods, economic collapse, and nuclear escalation, there’s nothing wrong with finding a little peace of mind in a bag of dehydrated Chicken A La King.

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91 Comments on "What Does Prepper Food Taste Like?"

  1. GregT on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 10:13 am 

    “kicked your ass good yesterday greggie. You are extremely pissed when you resort to fantasies. Mission accomplished!”

    You have never kicked anybody’s ass Davy. I’m not ‘pissed’. I’m actually laughing hysterically. For the life of me, I can’t believe how somebody who says that he is an adult male, can continuously quarrel with others like a teenaged girl. You’re one seriously messed up dude.

  2. GregT on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 10:17 am 

    ““99% of the world’s population do not all have access to oil already MM.”

    “That is simply not true.”

    In Davy land. In the real world, 99% of the people on the planet earth do not use oil in their day to day lives. I’ve spent time with some of those people.

  3. Yorchichan on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 10:18 am 

    Davy

    When you are not arguing with others on the board you write some brilliant stuff that I wish I were capable of writing. Keep it civil and you’ll have more fans. And yes, I know you are not the only one.

  4. Davy on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 10:20 am 

    Dave, this food is good for 15-30 years. In my opinion it is best used for the initial period of a crisis. It will be good for trade and barter. It is worth having in my opinion becuase of its shelf life but keep in mind it must be stored in climate controlled environment. It will go bad sooner if put in the garage. Everyone should have a weeks supply of this stuff.

  5. GregT on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 10:22 am 

    makati1 said:

    “Considering that I never abused my body with drugs, legal or other, never smoked, used alcohol only occasionally,

    Davy replied:

    “Liar, you have used alcohol because you have talked about drinking your San Miguel and having the occasional Scotch.”

    Now you’re making yourself look like a complete idiot. Give it a rest already Davy.

  6. GregT on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 10:25 am 

    “It comes out now, you abused your kids.”

    Spanking one’s children, and child abuse, are not the same things Davy. Not even remotely close.

  7. GregT on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 10:29 am 

    “Sure greggie but you spent most of your day here on this forum spewing filth with your stalking and pricking so how could you spend part of the day with this gentleman? Sounds like you are full of shit as usual.”

    The ‘gentleman’ lives on the property next to me Davy. I talk with him almost every day. And what reason would I have to lie about the forests?

    Come on buddy. Give it a rest already. Enough is enough.

  8. GregT on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 10:34 am 

    “If I did not carry this tone then this forum becomes an extremist magnet like it was just a year ago. Many extremist have departed for more extreme boards where they don’t have to fight to spread their dark agendas.”

    Names of those many departed extremists please Davy. Which ‘more extreme boards’ did they depart to? Who were they fighting? And what were their dark agendas?

    Otherwise, simply more of your usual paranoid delusions.

  9. Davy on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 10:44 am 

    Come on buddy enough is enough. You are looking childish and fake as usual.

  10. Davy on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 10:49 am 

    Greggie, you can’t get it through that hard head that the world is in overshoot including the 3rd world. I know you can’t believe that because it blows your agenda out of the water but it is clearly evident to anyone who understands overpopulation and interconnected nature of the global world. Direct use of oil does not matter it is the inderect that matters in the situation of the 3rd worlder.

  11. GregT on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 11:01 am 

    There are several people within walking distance of my property, here in the first world, who refuse to directly use oil in their day to day lives Davy.

    I am well aware that the world is in human population overshoot, that at some point there is going to be a die off, and that die off will affect ‘almost’ every society around the globe. That wasn’t the topic of conversation Davy. I was responding to MM’s idea of economic collapse caused by oil shortages.

  12. GregT on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 11:08 am 

    And davy,

    MM’s assertion that 7.6 billion people will be dropping like effing flies, eating their babies, and gangs of goons will be raping our wives and children, would be an extremist view. I don’t subscribe to his point of view. Those who are least reliant on oil in their day to day lives, and are the most disconnected from our current economic systems, will suffer the least when they are no longer available, or functioning.

  13. onlooker on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 11:17 am 

    Those who are least reliant on oil in their day to day lives, and are the most disconnected from our current economic systems, will suffer the least when they are no longer available, or functioning.—-
    And that makes total logic and sense

  14. Davy on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 11:25 am 

    greggie, I m not mm, even though you play that sock puppet game that I am. Deal with my comment not his please. You are deflecting the topic. The people you say are going to suffer the least is way to generalized for a normal point of view. Many of these people are going to starve greggie and you are in denial of this.

  15. Davy on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 11:33 am 

    “There are several people within walking distance of my property, here in the first world, who refuse to directly use oil in their day to day lives Davy.”

    Greggie, directly and or indirectly is still using oil…get a grip man. Oil drives modern civilization. Your boys in the woods get supplies from the city. Those supplies are derived by oil. Got it?

  16. GregT on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 11:38 am 

    “Many of these people are going to starve greggie and you are in denial of this.”

    Many of those people are already starving to death Davy. I am not in denial of that reality.

    It is you who is extremist Davy. Over generalization, black or white, American or anti-American, all or nothing. No middle ground. That would be extremism.

  17. Davy on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 11:41 am 

    “It is you who is extremist Davy. Over generalization, black or white, American or anti-American, all or nothing. No middle ground. That would be extremism.”

    Quit the childish name calling greggie. You are such a double standard idiot. Admit you were caught in a bad greggie. The world is much bigger than your overgeneralizations.

  18. GregT on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 11:55 am 

    “Quit the childish name calling greggie.”

    My handle on this forum would be GregT, Davy.

    Now again, who is the one doing the childish name calling?

  19. GregT on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 12:04 pm 

    “Your boys in the woods get supplies from the city. Those supplies are derived by oil. Got it?”

    Loud and clear Davy. Not a single day goes by that I don’t think about that. It is also a topic of conversation on a regular basis with some of my neighbours.

    I do not believe for one second, however, that oil shortages equate to a Mad Max world. IMO, that is also an extremist view point.

  20. MASTERMIND on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 12:39 pm 

    Greg

    Do you ever read the German army study? It predicts oil shortages would collapse the global economy and world governments..How is that not a mad max situation? And just so you know I have read over 34 books on this subject. I know more about collapse and peak oil then most people know about anything.

    https://imgur.com/a/pYxKa

  21. Davy on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 1:03 pm 

    Hey greggie, you can stop the hipocrisy. All we need to do is see you handle in action last night and some of the shit you said about me. See, I am real and you are fake. You can’t have it both ways greggie. You think you can play that game but it makes you look slimier.

  22. GregT on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 1:45 pm 

    “Do you ever read the German army study?”

    We have had this discussion numerous times before MM. Yes, I read the Bundeswehr report when the English translation first became public 6 or 7 years ago. I have a PDF copy of it on my back-up drive.

  23. GregT on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 2:01 pm 

    Davy,

    “See, I am real and you are fake. You can’t have it both ways greggie.”

    It is blatantly obvious, that you have both severe emotional and psychological issues.

    Give it a rest already buddy.

  24. deadly on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 2:19 pm 

    Most people will begin to run around like chickens with their heads cut off, then soon after, they’ll croak. The shallow end of the gene pool will takes its toll.

    I can tell you what the stored food will taste like.

    There is plenty of food all around you, you don’t have to prep, it is a waste of time.

    Sticks and twigs from the woods will cook your freshly caught supper from the river, it is not rocket science.

    And there are plenty of fish in the river, a fishing rod and some bait will catch the fish. Perch, bluegill, they’re there swimming next to the walleyes.

    Bullheads and northern pike can be thrown back, keep the ecosystem intact.

    Hunting deer will become a popular sport. If you have to, you can chew green grass, you can survive without fifty pounds of dried foods to hide in the woods because you can’t carry them forever unless you have an ox cart, well, then, everybody will know where you are from the squeaking of the wheels.

    You won’t be able to live in the city without scavenging when there is no water or sewer. You’ll be heading for the hills where everybody else will be, you will have lots of company to share your misery.

    Gloom, despair, misery on me. Deep dark depression, excessive misery sang Archie Campbell and the other barbers.

  25. GregT on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 2:20 pm 

    MM,

    “It predicts oil shortages would collapse the global economy and world governments..How is that not a mad max situation?”

    From the forward to the Bundeswehr report:

    “In this context, the purpose of security-related future analysis is to acquire knowledge precociously and scientifically based in order to refine conceptual specifications and objectives without making predictions.”

  26. Cloggie on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 2:25 pm 

    Millimind is desperate for collapse. War with Russia, peak oil supply, anything that will put society upside-down.

  27. Davy on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 3:10 pm 

    Give it a rest already greggie already

  28. MASTERMIND on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 4:12 pm 

    Greg

    So its not a prediction but forecast then. Even stronger. You dope! And clogg how am I desperate for collapse. I am against this fake war in the middle east. I dont want to die. I just dont deny evidence like you do. Like 34 years in a row of discovering less oil than we consume. Like five peer reviewed scientific studies. etc…etc..
    https://imgur.com/a/pYxKa

  29. MASTERMIND on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 4:14 pm 

    My Prediction

    Financial catastrophe resulting from resource depletion and a debasement of value of fiat currencies. Then a 3-month window of tyranny and government lockdown on citizens, followed by a 3-month window of absolute carnage and death. Then, a period of about 6 months of slow die-off and that’s pretty much that. Oh, and starting sometime within the next 5 years or so…

    https://imgur.com/a/pYxKa

  30. MASTERMIND on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 4:18 pm 

    Greg and Clogg

    I bet the government throws your asses in cattle car to the hard labor camps! Either you will get on the train or you will starve to death..Your choice! Here is some advice you both need to toughen up. Because if you can’t even handle the science of collapse. How are you going to handle waking up in a world of it all around you?

  31. GregT on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 5:23 pm 

    MM,

    “So its not a prediction but forecast then. Even stronger. You dope!”

    “The Bundeswehr Transformation Centre analyses changes that occur within and outside the Bundeswehr and provides incentives for concept development, armed forces planning and the Bundeswehr’s capability profile.”

    Not a prediction. Not a forecast. An analysis.

    a·nal·y·sis

    “detailed examination of the elements or structure of something, typically as a basis for discussion or interpretation”

  32. GregT on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 5:31 pm 

    My prediction,

    More of the same that we’ve seen for the last 30 or so years. The rich getting richer, the middle classes being wiped out, and the poor getting poorer. More violence and societal unrest in densely populated areas.
    More countries collapsing. More resource wars. Martial law. More CO2 pumped into the atmosphere, followed by catastrophic runaway climate change, with a global mass extinction event sometime around the end of this century.

  33. makati1 on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 6:01 pm 

    Greg, Spot on. The collapse is already underway. Barring something radical, like a nuclear exchange, it will just be downhill for the rest of our lives. Well, maybe MM will see the end, but not us. The Great Leveling will be harder in the 1st world as they have the farthest to fall, but most of the others will only notice a few changes, if any.

    Things will get more and more expensive and then, slowly, they will disappear. Companies will close. Colleges will close. Governments will shrink. The social safety net will disintegrate. More and more of the infrastructure will collapse, less medical services will be available, etc. Police states/dictatorships will be common as governments try to keep order.

    The Us is likely to experience all of these first and hardest. Being the planet’s major consumers, they will have the most to lose. I see the ‘wall’ around the Us to be used to keep the serfs in and isolation to be the new America, trying to live on their ~4% of the worlds resources instead of 24+%.

    I too do not see any humans alive on the planet after 2100. We have pulled the plug on the ecosystem that has kept us alive. It is only a matter of time.

  34. MASTERMIND on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 6:22 pm 

    Greg

    Too bad you don’t have any evidence (proof) to back up your prediction…Who needs reasons to believe things though. I know madkat doesn’t for sure..LOL

  35. GregT on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 8:11 pm 

    There’s no point in attempting to carry on a reasonable discussion with you MM. You’ve already made your fatalistic mind up.

    I can also assure you that the dozen or so regulars on this forum are not the only ones aware of our predicament. I talk with people about it all of the time, and have been doing so ever since the illegal invasion of Iraq back in 2003.

  36. onlooker on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 8:15 pm 

    Yes Greg spot on

  37. GregT on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 8:24 pm 

    My wife just told me that the U.S. has launched an attack against Syria.

    Un fucking believable.

  38. onlooker on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 8:30 pm 

    Confirmed US airstrikes in response to chemical attack!
    MSNBC

  39. Cloggie on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 8:34 pm 

    https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/us-trump-syria

    I agree with millikike that there are too many English speakers in the world.

  40. MASTERMIND on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 8:36 pm 

    Partition of Syria: US and Israel eye Golan Heights oil
    http://www.atimes.com/partition-syria-us-israel-eye-golan-heights-oil/

  41. Cloggie on Fri, 13th Apr 2018 8:40 pm 

    https://www.rt.com/usa/424086-syria-proof-classified-state-department/

    “State Dept claims US has proof Damascus was behind Douma ‘attack,’ but it’s classified”

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