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The World Wants Air-Conditioning
More than crickets and fireflies, more than baseball and cookouts, perhaps nothing signals the arrival of summer in the United States like the soft familiar whir of air-conditioning.
But there is growing concern that as other countries adopt America’s love of air-conditioners, the electricity used to power them will overburden electrical grids and increase planet-warming emissions.
The number of air-conditioners worldwide is predicted to soar from 1.6 billion units today to 5.6 billion units by midcentury, according to a report issued Tuesday by the International Energy Agency. If left unchecked, by 2050 air-conditioners would use as much electricity as China does for all activities today.
Greenhouse gas emissions released by coal and natural gas plants when generating electricity to power those air-conditioners would nearly double, from 1.25 billion tons in 2016 to 2.28 billion tons in 2050, the report says. Those emissions would contribute to global warming, which could further heighten the demand for air-conditioning.
Right now air-conditioning is concentrated in a handful of countries, mainly in the United States and Japan, and increasingly in China.
While 90 percent of American households have air-conditioning, “When we look in fact at the hot countries in the world, in Africa, Asia, Latin America and the Middle East, where about 2.8 billion people live, only about 8 percent of the population owns an air-conditioner,” said Fatih Birol, executive director of the energy agency.
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As incomes in those countries rise, however, more people are installing air-conditioners in their homes. The energy agency predicts much of the growth in air-conditioning will occur in India, China and Indonesia.
Some of the spread is simply being driven by a desire for comfort in parts of the world that have always been hot. But other factors are at play.
For example, as household wealth increases, so does the presence of household appliances like refrigerators and televisions, the report notes. These appliances generate heat, making homes warmer.
And because air-conditioners work in part by venting hot air outside, they also make the surrounding neighborhood warmer. By some estimates air-conditioning can raise overnight temperatures by about two degrees Fahrenheit (one degree Celsius) in some cities, the report said. Practically speaking, if enough of your neighbors buy an air-conditioner it may increase the temperature in your home enough to drive you to do the same.
And then, of course, there’s climate change. India is already one degree Fahrenheit warmer on average than it was a century ago. This has led to more “cooling degree days,” or days when average temperatures are warm enough to necessitate air-conditioning.
“If you look at cooling degree days for Chennai or Mumbai, these are places that have twice as many cooling degree days as the hottest city in the U.S., Miami,” said Lucas Davis, director of the Energy Institute at the Haas School of Business of the University of California, Berkeley. “It’s unbelievably hot — there’s nothing in the U.S. that compares in terms of heat to these cities in India.”
And when it gets hot, forgoing air-conditioning can be deadly. The heat wave that plagued Chicago in 1995 killed more than 700 people, while the 2003 European heat wave and 2010 Russian heat wave killed tens of thousands each. Researchers have found that climate change made the European heat wave deadlier and the Russian heat wave more likely.
The introduction of home air-conditioning in the United States has cut premature deaths on hot days by 75 percent since 1960, another study has shown. That is why both Dr. Davis and Dr. Birol say the solution lies not in convincing countries to forgo air-conditioners, but in making air-conditioning more energy efficient. That could cut by half the additional energy demand for cooling in the coming years.
Many air-conditioners on sale in India today use twice as much electricity to provide the same amount of cooling as more efficient units, Dr. Davis said.
On the other end of the spectrum, air-conditioners sold in Japan and the European Union tend to be 25 percent more efficient than units sold in the United States and China.
Governments should set efficiency standards for air-conditioners and provide incentives for manufacturers and consumers, Dr. Birol said. Some countries are already passing energy efficiency standards. And as part of an agreement known as the Kigali amendment to the Montreal Protocol, other countries are working to phase out refrigerants used in air-conditioning units that are also potent greenhouse gases.
Dr. Davis said electricity prices must also play a role in developing countries. “It is hard to make more progress on any of those fronts without more rational pricing for electricity,” he said. Accounting for emissions in the cost of electricity and removing subsidies would encourage more efficient air-conditioning and more sustainable buildings, he said.
The report also envisions a role for renewable energies — especially solar power, which to some degree aligns the peak of its energy generation, in the middle of the day, with the peak demand for cooling.
No matter what, air-conditioning will be a major issue in the fight against climate change, Dr. Birol said.
“When I look at the next few years to come, air-conditioners are only second to the entire industrial sector,” he said. “Twenty-one percent of the total world electricity growth is coming from the need to meet the growth of air-conditioner electricity demand.”
43 Comments on "The World Wants Air-Conditioning"
Davy on Tue, 15th May 2018 6:27 am
Just another unsustainable trend of man’s increasing drive for more consumption and growing population. Add to that food and water with are part of the triad of human needs of energy, food, and water. On a side note. I am using my solar system to power my Daikin mini split quad-zone system. This inverter technology is very efficient especially when zoned. I can even heat with it but that is more restricted. I can cool per the need in the house with units located in different areas. This means I can use one or all according to need. My solar system supports a home that is on and off grid. I have solar for a backup in case the grid is down. I am a prepper so I have it in case of grid instability or failure. I am also trying to recoup my investment. I find in the summer when the sun is good it is a great way to lower electricity usage by running my A/C with solar. This Daikin unit allows a solar system to power it where traditional central air for a house in the US is too big a draw. This is a little tricky for those who might not be able to remain around their home. It requires demand management. If it becomes cloudy I switch the A/C to grid power and run something smaller on solar or I will drain down the batteries. My inverter system will kick over automatically to grid power charging of the batteries once the battery charge drops to a low point so I am safe but I am avoiding battery cycling to extend the life of my batteries. This means I manage my loads during the day according to the sun. I don’t use my system at night unless needed. All my lights are led. All my circuits are switchable except for things like water heater, dryer and electric oven. These are grid dependent. I space heat and heat water with my wood boiler in the cold months.
pwinters on Tue, 15th May 2018 7:03 am
Mankind was made weak by AC. They should have adapted to their climate instead of creating and living in artificial bubbles. So much energy wasted that now endangers the entire species.
in 1902, a 25-year-old engineer from New York named Willis Carrier invented the first modern air-conditioning system
Shortend on Tue, 15th May 2018 7:11 am
I read an article when I lived in New England that folks in Maine now required air conditioning as a necessity, even though the summer hot weather was a few weeks!
An old timer lamented this is just crazy.
Also read a WHOLE city in China has one purpose, manufacture air conditioners for the world market.
Never liked it myself, but my 96 year old Mother requires it 24/7 here in Florida
kanon on Tue, 15th May 2018 7:22 am
Two items: 1) the freon used for heat exchange is supposedly a very potent greenhouse gas. We have enough in present A/C systems to have a major climate change impact all on their own. I understated that propane could have been chosen, but chemical companies would have lost out. Another example of the primacy of federal reserve money and control.
2) “… air-conditioners sold in Japan and the European Union tend to be 25 percent more efficient than units sold in the United States and China.” Speaks for itself.
Norman Pagett on Tue, 15th May 2018 7:25 am
”because we can”
the three words that govern uncontrolled transport, food consumption, building extravagance, interplanetary flight—you name it, we do it because the energy…..cheap surplus energy that this…..is available to provide it.
we have come to regard this as an inalienable right
but of course the oilparty is all but over, yet our insatiable appetites go on
we cannot stop it because it is part of our genetic makeup that we must ”consume” in to order to survive
just as our ancestors did—-our brains have not evolved in the last 10–20–50k years—they consumed, ….we consume even more.
they just grazed the planet, we consume the planet itself.
Davy on Tue, 15th May 2018 7:25 am
A/C has made man weak and I don’t like it from an intellectual view point. Yet, if you want to maintain a home and keep humidity down you need it. To go back to a previous ways of living where humidity was not such an issue is hard. If you want to avoid mold and pollen from getting in it is sure nice to have a/c. Those days will likely come again so if you can plan accordingly. My home has many windows so I try when the conditions warrant to open windows instead. I have a split level with half the downstairs in the ground. This makes for a natural cooling effect which I can utilize as needed. Heating is not an issue for me. I heat with wood. I have so much firewood I could go into business.
One thing that amazes me these days is how the glass office buildings are built. There will be no ventilation if the power goes off. Look at pictures of cities in the 20’s and you will see windows and awnings. What a difference from today. Yea we have set ourselves up in overshoot with population, consumption, and climate location. What I mean by climate location is we have populations where they should not be without the ability to heat or cool with energy and what is worse import food and water. The ME is one big disaster in the making with food, water and human climate control arrangements.
Davy on Tue, 15th May 2018 7:33 am
“air-conditioners sold in Japan and the European Union tend to be 25 percent more efficient than units sold in the United States and China.” Speaks for itself.”
Yea, but some of that is cost and application. Big houses are cooled better with big central air setups for the money. Small living arrangements are cooled well with smaller more efficient units. The system I put in was double the cost of what a traditional central air would have been. Americans have trended towards bigger homes unfortunately. This will change soon and those with Mcmansions will be sucking eggs. I laugh every time I drive by these monstrosities. More than laugh it makes me sick. I know people that have them and they are clueless about the risks they have put themselves in both with cooling and heating. Pipes break in winter and homes become dangerously hot where they cannot be ventilated.
Duncan Idaho on Tue, 15th May 2018 9:51 am
Well, I think Atlanta would be a better city at 25,000.
That is what it was without aircon.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 15th May 2018 10:37 am
China really is to blame for millions of lost U.S. manufacturing jobs, new study finds
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-really-is-to-blame-for-millions-of-lost-us-manufacturing-jobs-new-study-finds-2018-0514
Kat C on Tue, 15th May 2018 10:38 am
Well humans can of course adapt to heat and survive. We have become weak. OTOH at some point heat kills and climate change is heading us ever faster to the place where people and plants cant survive
https://bit.ly/2IhaYjv
Please note that corn and wheat and most plants don’t grow where the temperatures are extremely hot. We can’t air condition our fields.
Kat C on Tue, 15th May 2018 10:39 am
Duncan, you are so right about Atlanta 🙂
MASTERMIND on Tue, 15th May 2018 11:02 am
Tesla’s Autopilot engaged during Utah crash
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/business/autos/mobility/2018/05/15/tesla-crash-utah/34938439/
MASTERMIND on Tue, 15th May 2018 11:17 am
Major depression on the rise among everyone, new data shows
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/major-depression-rise-among-everyone-new-data-shows-n873146
Sissyfuss on Tue, 15th May 2018 11:40 am
The dehumidifying aspect of AC is becoming more essential. With a 1.2C rise in global temps since 1750 we also have the concomitant rise of 7% in humidity levels. And when wet bulb temps exceed 35C at an increasing rate in the future only those with serious AC capabilities will survive. At least for a little while longer.
Cloggie on Tue, 15th May 2018 12:13 pm
Major depression on the rise among everyone, new data shows
Russians are far less depressed, that’s because they have a future in a Russian country, in contrast to European Americans, who are facing a third world future in the hands of milliminds tribe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CA_v41ZQCI8
Oh wait, there are 640 million Europeans in continental Europe, who could make a difference for those Americans.
Davy on Tue, 15th May 2018 12:21 pm
Nedernazi, you don’t know one Russian and you are acting the expert. You do the same thing with Americans. Get out of your internet shell. You are loosing it.
MASTERMIND on Tue, 15th May 2018 12:23 pm
Clogg
Europe hates Russia and they are going to get hit with a nuclear fist strike..They have the troops on the border and ready to advance. And they have the missile defense systems ready. And they have spread massive propganda in the US against Russia. That now even the peace loving liberals want to go to war with them..The wood has been dried and the kindling is ready.. All they need is one false flag and the match will be lit. You can’t defeat the globalist and its laughable that you uneducated white trash would even try to challenge them..
Outcast_Searcher on Tue, 15th May 2018 2:22 pm
kanon: Freon has been banned in A/C in the first world for quite a while now, and newer systems use a less damaging gas.
But of course, let’s neglect to mention that, as it might interfere with our meme of rapid doom.
Cloggie on Tue, 15th May 2018 2:49 pm
“Europe hates Russia”
You confuse Russia with America, the most hated country in the world.
https://www.rt.com/news/424701-trump-world-threat-germans/
Majority Germans want better ties with Russia:
https://www.epochtimes.de/politik/deutschland/umfrage-mehrheit-der-deutschen-will-bessere-beziehungen-zu-russland-a2252432.html
“Once the most beloved country in the world, the US is now the most hated”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/feb/14/comment.businesscomment
You millimind are a complete fool.
“they are going to get hit with a nuclear fist strike”
The whole world knows by now that Washington is run by a bunch of murderers like you.
But I am telling that you don’t want to be the most hated country in the world and at the same time get your ass kicked by the likes of North-Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. That might give other parties the idea that you can be beaten. And that idea would be correct.
YOU HAVE NO ALLIES.
As you admit yourself, the US population is demoralized to the bone. And ethically deeply divided:
https://youtu.be/Va6MAwexpnE
In other words: ZOG-USA is toast. The question is: who gives it a liitle push so it will fall flat on its face and break into several pieces.
Perhaps DJT, on purpose?
Cloggie on Tue, 15th May 2018 2:51 pm
“you don’t know one Russian”
You could not be more wrong.
I know them in the most intimate way possible.
IanC on Tue, 15th May 2018 3:14 pm
We built a new house in the country without AC, dryer, or dishwasher. It sucks sometimes, but we’ve adjusted and it’s no big deal. More importantly, we have some land and enough of a hobby farm to help feed the local warlord(s) when the time comes. Super cool!
MASTERMIND on Tue, 15th May 2018 3:39 pm
Clogg
That article is 11 years old. And according to gallop the US is the third most respected country. And we where first under Obama..The troops are on Russia’s doorstep and ready to charge! the missile defense systems are locked and loaded! The propaganda to manufacture the consent of the public has been spread…All we need is a false flag to get this party started!
Go Speed Racer on Tue, 15th May 2018 4:06 pm
HELL YA, WE WANT
AIR CONDITIONING.
ITS ONE OF OUR RIGHTS
SPELLED OUT IN THE
CONSTITUTION.
WAIT UNTIL MY PATENTED
NEW MODEL COMES OUT,
IT HAS A BUILT IN ICE MAKER
AND SHREDS THE ICE INTO
SNOW AND BLASTS SNOW
FLAKES AT YOU OUT THE LOUVERS.
Now on a more practical note,
have you noticed the proliferation
Of “portable air conditioners”.
See your dumb stupid big mommy
Big bad Hillary government, too
stupid to know what to do.
Those should be outlawed,
They are the same as plugging in a
fridge and leave the door open.
Cooler one side, hotter the other.
But is your government smart enough
to outlaw them? No! Just got their pants
Down around their ankles in the
WashinrgtonDC airport Men’s room,
Two congressmen in one stall.
Scumbags to the last criminal.
Always vote against incumbents.
Always. That’s the best way to try and
flush out the sewage pipes.
The only exception on “portable
air conditioner” should be the two
hose type, that’s the only honest one
in that product category.
Government, stupid lying criminal swindlers.
Americans, fat ugly lazy and stupid.
God Bless the USA!
YOU OUT THE
MASTERMIND on Tue, 15th May 2018 4:07 pm
The US government spends $20 billion annually just to provide air conditioning for military installations in Iraq and Afghanistan. In essence, what we’re doing is “we’re air conditioning the desert.
https://www.npr.org/2011/06/25/137414737/among-the-costs-of-war-20b-in-air-conditioning
DMyers on Tue, 15th May 2018 7:00 pm
A/C, always too hot when it finally kicks on, and always too cold when it finally goes off.
Interesting how it works, that some people cool down to 70 when it’s 95 outside. That’s just insane and incredibly unhealthy. But I must say, I knew a man who walked around in a short sleeve shirt at 0 degrees and was thoroughly comfortable.
Then you have places like restaurants, where the staff are running around, heating up from activity, while the diners are just sitting there in a cool state. So, the workers are begging to go lower, and the patrons are begging to go higher, each justified in their respective preference.
Interesting, too, how we’ve poured huge sums into buildings that cannot function without A/C. Lots of windows to foster a greenhouse effect, but none of them open when the EMP hits.
I agree with Go Speed on the portable A/C as the dumbest idea ever perfected. Granted you’re pushing the hot air out the window hose, but you’re using air you’ve cooled to fan the hot freon. The standard central unit, with the compressor sitting outside your bedroom window, cools the coils with ninety degree air.
However, I disagree with the idea that these should become illegal. The real problem is more the inability to understand how ridiculous they are than the machines themselves. Overcoming stupidity is an individual project. It cannot be accomplished by mandate. IMHO
Cloggie on Tue, 15th May 2018 9:43 pm
“All we need is a false flag to get this party started!”
You will be partying on your own then, as everybody is preparing for war with the US:
https://documents1940.wordpress.com/2018/03/18/ww3-to-terminate-the-us-empire-aka-the-west/
And that includes a ferocious trade war EU-US as Europe will again not join in this announced Iranian regime change, like they didn’t in Iraq.
Meanwhile the Italian domino is falling, away from the US, towards Russia. Earlier this week in Dresden this rally:
https://youtu.be/XZGVGpdRB6o
Russian flags yes, US flags none. These anti-Merkel, anti-immigrants rallies take place every week since 2015.
Add to that a possibly hard eviction of the UK from the EU, followed by a potential hard breakup of the UK and the battlelines of the coming WW3 become clear: Eurasia-Anglosphere.
For that purpose we will have to lure the US into attacking Iran and DJT seems to be willing to deliver.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/908338/Berlusconi-Italy-election-2018-EU-army-Brussels-Berlusconi-nuevo-look
There are 1300 million Chinese and 640 million continental Europeans against a country of 220 million depressed, again whites, 110 million third-worlders, owned by 9 million millimind’s, who will bravely fight until the last American (until they rise up, of course).
Juncker: Putin is my friend:
https://www.trouw.nl/democratie/jean-claude-juncker-poetin-is-mijn-vriend~a7236236/
Boy, do you have bad cards, millimind!
(we continental Europeans want the US Heartland back and Scotland)
MASTERMIND on Tue, 15th May 2018 9:55 pm
Clogg
You are one deluded human being. Europe and Asia are the worlds largest oil importers. And peak oil is now. And shortages are coming And we pretty much have our energy supplies covered by shale, Canada and Iraq/Saudi..So looks like you folks will be the ones collapsing. And we will ride into the sunset! Your angry tub o lard white populist will end up turning on their own governments and people..It will be a bloody mess..
MASTERMIND on Tue, 15th May 2018 10:09 pm
This is how much Uber drivers really make
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-is-how-much-uber-drivers-really-make-2018-05-15
Boat on Tue, 15th May 2018 11:12 pm
Not to mention it is Nigeria and Libya that ask the US for help with Muslim rebels who blow up their pipelines.
When Venz collaspes who will be there. You think Russia or China is capable?
Cloggie on Wed, 16th May 2018 12:13 am
“You are one deluded human being. Europe and Asia are the worlds largest oil importers. And peak oil is now. And shortages are coming And we pretty much have our energy supplies covered by shale, Canada and Iraq/Saudi..So looks like you folks will be the ones collapsing. ”
Eh no. We in Europe need half the amount of energy to make a million buck than the US or China.
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/2014/10/04/energy-efficiency-country-ranking/
In contrast to America, we have a rapidly expanding renewable energy industry that can accomplish most of the energy transition by 2030.
https://deepresource.wordpress.com/?s=2030
Finally we have trillions of tons of coal under the North Sea that can be gasified to ensure that we will always have enough energy to get the transition completed. I don’t think we will need that coal though.
If the ME goes up in flames, the only thing the US would accomplish is pushing Europe into the arms of Russia for fuel.
Duh.
We don’t need you for anything. Let’s have a giant trade war and terminate the West. Come on DJT, let’s bring it on: attempting to regime change in Iran will amount to regime change in Washington.
http://www.uitpers.be/UP/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/salvini-putin.jpg
(he will run Italy.lol)
Oh and from your link, depressed people don’t win wars:
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/major-depression-rise-among-everyone-new-data-shows-n873146
Davy on Wed, 16th May 2018 4:36 am
nedernazi, why are you always hyping WWIII? Is that what it will take for your fantasy to be realized? Let’s say Europe tilts to Russia why do you want that to include a massive deadly world war. You are one sick SOB.
Davy on Wed, 16th May 2018 4:44 am
Neder, is this the tilt towards Russia you were talking about?
“Five Star And Lega Ask ECB To Cancel €250 Billion In Debt!”
https://tinyurl.com/yd87czho
“Five Star and the League expect the ECB to forgive 250 billion euros in Italian bonds bought via quantitative easing, in order to bring down Italy’s debt. The two parties want to re-open European Treaties and to “radically reform” the stability and growth pact. The coalition would also want to reconsider Italy’s contribution to the EU budget. According to @HuffPostItalia, the 5 Star/League draft agreement would include an opt-out mechanism to leave the euro in an “agreed manner” were there to be a “clear popular will” to do so. The draft document says Italy should stay in Nato, but asks for an immediate withdrawal of sanctions vs Russia, so that Moscow can return to be a “strategic partner” in conflict zones. According to @HuffPostItalia, the 5 Star/League draft document says there would be a “flat tax”… but with several tax rates and deductions. Italy’s pension reform would be dismantled: workers would be able to retire when the sum of their retirement age and years of contribution is at least 100. The draft coalition agreement of a 5 Star/Lega government leaked to @HuffPostItalia calls for a revision of the Dublin regulation on immigration and for compulsory relocation of asylum seekers across the EU. The draft coalition agreement of a 5 Star/Lega government leaked to @HuffPostItalia calls for a revision of the Dublin regulation on immigration and for compulsory relocation of asylum seekers across the EU.”
MASTERMIND on Wed, 16th May 2018 5:46 am
CLogg
Maybe nano bots can dig up that trillions of coal under the sea.. maybe Europe can go live under the sea next and travel in hyperloops to get their….LOL
Go Speed Racer on Wed, 16th May 2018 7:46 am
In USA we have an unlimited supply
of Taco Bell Burritos.
There is a renewable energy project
called ‘Burrito gassification’
and by eating the Burritos we can tap into
the abundant infinite quantities of
natural gas, and have unlimited energy
thanks to Taco Bell Burrito gassification.
kanon on Wed, 16th May 2018 11:06 am
Outcast_Searcher: The HFC’s that are currently used as the refrigerant are potent greenhouse gases. climate-change-refrigerants The source says R-410A is 1,924 times and R-22 is 1,760 times greater than carbon dioxide over a 100-year period.
Cloggie on Wed, 16th May 2018 12:58 pm
Neder, is this the tilt towards Russia you were talking about?
“Five Star And Lega Ask ECB To Cancel €250 Billion In Debt!”
https://tinyurl.com/yd87czho
Meathead and his Zerohedge fake news source.
You own media are denying the 250 billion request:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/16/italys-populists-deny-theyll-ask-for-debt-forgiveness-after-clinching-power.html
https://www.reuters.com/article/italy-politics-ecb-debt/italy-debt-cancellation-not-in-govt-programme-league-economy-spokesman-idUSR1N1R502C
Nevertheless, there is no such thing as a fundamental distinction between public and private debt. Public debt is YOUR debt, dear Italian burger.
Again national wealth per capita data, showing btw that average whitey is far better off in Europe than in the US, that Walhalla for the ultra-rich:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult
Italy is per capita the richest country of all larger European countries and the US.
Until you factor in public debt. Germany and Holland have lower per capita wealth but a far lower public debt (Holland 54% GDP, Italy 132%)
The reality is that western European countries do not differ that much in real wealth (=productivity), but differ very much in fiscal discipline.
If the Italian state wants to dump 250 billion of debt, it should do so on its own citizens. 250 billion over 60 million Italians is merely 4,000 per capita, or 10k per family. It is perfectly defensible to burden every Italian citizen with a new mortgage to help their government shed some debt, debt that came into existence because of the low tax morale of the Italian.
But again, the new right-wing Italian government has denied that it wants to ask the ECB for debt relief.
Davy on Wed, 16th May 2018 1:41 pm
So nederdummy, you are saying no worries with Italy? Lol, I think you northerners have some tough negotiations ahead that will disturb the peace. Forget your PBM nonsense you have money issues.
Cloggie on Wed, 16th May 2018 1:52 pm
“So Clogmeister, sir, you are saying no worries with Italy?”
Where did I say that, amerikaantje.
So you can’t read either.
Davy on Wed, 16th May 2018 2:32 pm
Sure you did nederdummy. You dismissed my comment as unimportant and now you are saying it is important. You are caught in you circle of lies that always precedes you fantasy agenda.
Cloggie on Wed, 16th May 2018 3:10 pm
“You dismissed my comment as unimportant and now you are saying it is important.”
I dismissed your Zerohedge quote with US MSM denials. But you are messing things up with your characteristic dishonesty.
MASTERMIND on Wed, 16th May 2018 3:28 pm
Clogg
Your tub o lard face is going to be kicked in when Antifa burns down your cities! The youth is on our side. They are turning away from religion in droves. the only advantage your populist movement has is at the ballot box. and if you think the government can save you..you are a moron..
MASTERMIND on Wed, 16th May 2018 3:30 pm
Clogg
Your white race can’t dance, cant sing, can’t run, can’t jump…You are being replaced by people who are greater than you..
MASTERMIND on Wed, 16th May 2018 3:32 pm
Clogg
Why doesn’t Richard Spencer go marching in downtown Detroit? He only goes where he knows the pigs will protect him..If he went into the cities they would chop him up into a million pieces and feed him to the pit bulls..He would piss himself, more than Ted Nudget.