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Nicole Foss Interview on Peak Oil, Financial Crisis, Resilience

The full interview with Nicole Foss of The Automatic Earth from the upcoming documentary A Simpler Way: Crisis as Opportunity.



50 Comments on "Nicole Foss Interview on Peak Oil, Financial Crisis, Resilience"

  1. eugene on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 10:42 am 

    I am more than amazed at the “gotta be simpler” people. The reality is if we go “simpler”, there will be one helluva lot less people and that transition to a much lower population will be brutal to say the least. Crisis is not always opportunity as Americans must think. The Titanic sinking was not an opportunity for those on it. History is absolutely filled with proof that crisis is, often, not opportunity.

  2. ghung on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 11:13 am 

    Eugene said: “The reality is if we go “simpler”, there will be one helluva lot less people and that transition to a much lower population will be brutal to say the least.”

    And if we don’t simplify, it’ll happen anyway. Best get ahead of the curve, eh? The gradual (or not) ‘simplification’ of industrial society and systems is baked in. I kick myself in the ass every time I think about the time I wasted adopting evermore complex strategies to deal with the so-called ‘progress’ everyone talks about and expects.

    I, for one, won’t be disappointed when ‘the best laid schemes’ of mankind don’t work out. I’ve already come to terms with that; making other arrangements, in my head and in my life. Quit worrying about things you can’t control; focus on things you can hope to.

    “….will be brutal to say the least.”

    Yeah, always trying to pay of debts was brutal. Living under contracts that were too complex for most of us to understand was brutal. Dealing with assholes that had been nowhere/done nothin’, but thought they knew it all was brutal. Spending 20+ years of my life sitting in traffic trying to get to/from work was pretty fucking brutal…..

  3. penury on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 11:49 am 

    Eugene you are correct if we go simpler there will be less, and fewer people, the sad news is” we are going simpler.” Some of us will do it voluntarily and some will be dragged kicking and screaming and denying the process all the way. What cannot continue, will not. Humans do not admit limits, try not to accept limits and when limits appear deny that they exist. Look around the world today, Remove the rose tinted glasses and accept that humanity is destroying the environment in pursuit of more. Currently we are destroying the planet to keep the downward spiral contained. With an open mind and a small portion of empathy towards others try to find the signs of recovery, progress or even the signs anywhere of growth in a good way. To echo G. Carlin, we are going away.

  4. GregT on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 11:59 am 

    “Yeah, always trying to pay of debts was brutal. Living under contracts that were too complex for most of us to understand was brutal. Dealing with assholes that had been nowhere/done nothin’, but thought they knew it all was brutal. Spending 20+ years of my life sitting in traffic trying to get to/from work was pretty fucking brutal…..”

    Could not agree more.

  5. BC on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 12:21 pm 

    I personally know several dozen kids who have graduated high school and college in the past 5-10 years who are (1) unemployed or unemployable and wasting time in school or playing video games and on FB and Instagram; (2) living at home or with extended family working at one or more low-paying, dead-end jobs with no prospects of ever earning more after inflation; or (3) the top 10-20% (3-4 kids) who have gotten “real jobs” for the gov’t or a mid-sized to large employer in IT, “health” care, sales, or accounting.

    These kids will likely never be the typical “consumer unit” of the post-WW II era, and they will be lucky to have any discretionary income whatsoever.

    I suspect that this is the norm for most of the country.

  6. paulo1 on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 12:57 pm 

    And then there is this tidbit:

    Young adults are delaying the transition from their parental home. Between 1981 and 2011, the proportion of young adults aged 20 to 29 who resided in their parental home rose 15.4 percentage points from 26.9% to 42.3%.

    http://well-being.esdc.gc.ca/misme-iowb/[email protected]?iid=77

    The latest figures is actually 49% in Canada…as per news broadcast the other day. (I could not find a reference for this stat).

    I guess for some young adults, living at home and getting mom to wash and cook seems nice and simple. My kids have been out of the house since high school and own their own homes. (one is 30…the other 34)

    Dad’s mantra has always been…”Debt is bad, debt is bad”. Mostly it has been heeded pretty well, and as they have aged both kids seem to realize the value of that outlook. Many of their friends are in debt up to their eyeballs for unnecesary consumer crap so I hope it sticks.

    Ghung sumed it up perfectly.

  7. Davy on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 1:05 pm 

    Well, I think the issue of simplicity is relative to “LESS” but that is going to create complications in a society accustomed to more. Power down sounds great if one looks at it in the abstract without the details. You know the idea of a simpler life and all the nice ideas of going back to the basics of localized living. The reality is we are going to have a complex descent of a complex society until the rebalance of consumption and population settles out.

    People are going to look for the old ways of doing things and they will not be available. People will have to learn many more skills instead of being specialized. Those who are just meat on a couch with a tube in front of them will be worm food IOW free loaders will have a short life expectancy. Unfortunately the unfortunates with disabilities and challenges will likely be weeded out by nature. The old and the very young will be challenged. Forced simplicity will create complexity (incongruous juxtapositions).

  8. BC on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 1:21 pm 

    paulo, good for you and your kids. Your kids are at the older range of Millennials. Where do you live. Don’t feel compelled to answer if it’s too personal.

    I suspect that the US is heading back to social/housing arrangements more like Latin/Mediterranean countries, Asian, and African societies, i.e., multi-generational households with fewer income earners per household, lower income per capita, but maintaining a gentler decline of real household income; it won’t happen overnight but over a generation.

    There simply is not going to be the necessary real growth per capita of output, investment, employment, and living-wage or breadwinner earned incomes.

    But were Millennials collectively to forgo debt and adopt more communal living arrangements, sharing housing, auto transport, etc., they can still maintain an enviable standard of material consumption and relative comfort compared to the rest of the human ape population of the planet.

  9. BC on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 1:33 pm 

    Davy, what you describe about free-loading worm food might reflect a growing sense of futility or fatalism in a hyper-individualist, hyper-materialistic, hyper-commoditized society and existence for a great many young people under 35. The overwhelming majority of them have no prospect of saving, say, $20,000-$40,000 to put down on a mortgage for a typical suburban house, or for that matter ever hope to be able to buy a house like their parents.

    Why work 2-3 low-paying, dead-end, mind-numbingly boring McJobs to spend all of your after-tax income on housing, a car, and then have nothing to show for it?

    Why not work one McJob and live at home in the room in which you grew up, take the bus or light rail, and not pay rent? That’s what’s been happening in Japan since the late 1990s to date, and it’s now becoming more common in Toronto, Vancouver, Singapore, Tawian, London, and Hong Kong, areas of the world where housing costs are obscene.

    As for the imperative for males to leave the nest to set up his own cave to lure a female for sex, increasingly young women are seeing that young males know that they can’t support a female or even me an equal financial partner, so the males are increasingly abandoning the idea of coupling, financial commitment to a free-spending female, and turning over their paychecks for child rearing for 18-22 years. What is the payback? Zero. So, they are playing video games, watching porn, and spending any extra cash on weed or the latest recreational substance.

    As in Europe, Japan, and the Asian city-states, this will be great for reducing the population and overshoot stressors, but it comes with costs.

  10. ghung on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 1:35 pm 

    And for those who think I’m not an optimist, at least on some level, I just received my orders of ginseng seeds which I intend to plant in the hollow below (and in sight of) our house. We live in prime wild ginseng country and have dealt with ‘sang’ poachers for years. I’ve relocated many plants nearer to the house (shotgun range) to try and avoid thefts, but am now going to plant 2000 seeds per year since I expect that, no matter how bad things get in China, they will always demand (and have money for) things like ginseng, rhino horn, bear gall bladders, tiger dicks, etc.. At least I can help fulfil some of that demand.

    See? Optimistic me! I’m off to play in the dirt some more.

  11. apneaman on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 1:39 pm 

    paulo1, all the kids (my age-middle age) in my extended family have good paying jobs, houses, etc, but with the exception of one female cousin they are all in debt up to their eyeballs. All my nephews and nieces and my cousins kids work, but all in low paying jobs and only two are in university. No one took a trade either. Why is that? Something is going on. Something has changed. In Canada the only requirement for a student loan for university, trade or vocational school is not to have a outstanding student loan. So pretty much everyone is eligible. I went to trade school in the late 1980’s (8 months total) by borrowing $2700 and made $36,000 as a first year apprentice back then with pension and benefits. What is going on? I told everyone of those kids how it worked, how easy it was and not one even went for a tour. Seriously, I cannot understand how there could be such a dramatic change in just a couple of generations. It’s like they have rejected what was once considered normal. Cultural collapse? Hell I’ve rejected this culture, but that’s after over 30 years of adult living and witnessing the corruption and bullshit. Maybe the kids are just more advanced than me;)

  12. BC on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 2:07 pm 

    “It’s like they have rejected what was once considered normal. Cultural collapse? Hell I’ve rejected this culture, but that’s after over 30 years of adult living and witnessing the corruption and bullshit. Maybe the kids are just more advanced than me;)”

    They are coming of age at the culmination of the effects and cumulative costs of the corruption and BS you describe. The trappings of material success the Boomers and older Xers exemplify are unattainable for the vast majority of them given the comparative costs as a share of real, after-tax income an “education”, housing, auto transport, etc.

    In fact, here is some trivia readers might appreciate. If one adjusts the average wage or salary for a 20- to 34-year-old US male for the “actual” cost-of-living increase (proxy being M2 or GDP growth, which more closely approximates the cost of housing, debt service, higher payroll taxes, insurance, etc., than does the CPI), that young man earns an income barely 60% of his generational predecessors.

    Think about that.

    The typical Millennial male today receives an equivalent of a paycheck and a half less in purchasing power in today’s US$’s than did his father’s generation, i.e., Boomers at the same age.

    But, wait! There’s more!

    Using the same cost-of-living adjustment, the typical new college grad, the 50% who actually get a job, receives an average salary equivalent to the purchasing power of a full-time job in 1970-74 at the minimum wage.

    IOW, it requires a university credential today to secure employment at the equivalent purchasing power of full-time minimum wage 40-45 years ago.

    Again, think about that for a minute.

    Now is it a surprise why kids are living at home, not buying houses, not coupling, not saving for a house or retirement, and no having children?

    On top of all of this, peak Millennails constitute no more than 50-60% of the size of peak Boomers as a share of the labor force and population. So, not only are they not capable of becoming post-WW II “consumer units”, there are significantly fewer of them as a share of the population and labor force, and thus their rate of change of growth through their phases of life will be dramatically slower than that of any generation in US history for which we have good data going back to the early 20th and late 19th centuries.

    I hope that helps explain the Millennials’ situation a bit better.

  13. BC on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 2:09 pm 

    ghung, 😀 Good for you!

  14. paulo1 on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 2:30 pm 

    BC,

    I just got back in for lunch.

    I live in the Sayward Valley, Vancouver Island. Google it, nice pics online. https://www.google.ca/search?q=sayward+valley+images&biw=1067&bih=468&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CBwQsARqFQoTCI6qzLOO3scCFUIyiAodnVAB0Q

    It is pretty nice. My son lives about 2-300 metres from our property on about 3 acres. My daughter lives down Island in Ladysmith.

    My wife and I will be fishing in about 2 hours (tide change). Yes, the orcas swim by while we fish.

  15. apneaman on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 2:42 pm 

    BC, I have no quarrel with the numbers, but how do they know before they even get out of high school? Ok some of it is obvious and requires no mathematical analysis, but sometimes I think that something may be going on at the subconscious level similar to how poor folks keep popping out young uns to ensure passing their genes on – some sense. I have been following psychology, sociology, anthropology, evolution, etc studies for decades and strange shit keeps popping up all the time. 10 – 12 years ago it was laughable to suggest that we (non black africans) were related to Neanderthals or that we could have Hobbit like cousins (homo floresiensis), but there it is. Also ten years ago, we weren’t supposed to see most of the climate disasters and ice melt down for another 65 – 90 years from now, but there it is. I do not think we know as much as we think we know. So, I should tell the nephews they made the right non-career choice? I bet they would say “yeah I know, now go tell my parents to stop bugging”.

  16. onlooker on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 2:43 pm 

    Very true what all you guys are saying. The younger generation is growing up amid the widespread growing rebellious attitude of most in all societies. People have woken up to the fact that the world is on a unsustainable path. So these young people as young people are wont to do are pioneers and at the vanguard of leading the way in drastic changes in ways of thinking and doing things. It helps also that their parents probably for the most part are encouraging them knowing full well that they have to change the world for the good of all.

  17. BC on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 2:59 pm 

    apena, they are faced with the structural realities and resulting choices (or non-choices) and act predictably.

    It is remarkable how much socioeconomic structural factors determine one’s choices in life, although most of us are unaware (and those at the top like it that way). We become more intuitively aware as we grow older and experience the outcomes of structural forces, but we more often than not engage in post facto rationalization or revisionism of “our story”. We attribute success to our brilliance and good choices and failures to unfairness or fate. Luck is infinitely more influential than we dare imagine. Choosing well one’s parents is the most optimal “choice” one can make, of course. 🙂

    Free will as we are conditioned to perceive it does not exist, but we have no choice. 😀

  18. BC on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 3:05 pm 

    Nice, paulo! Lovely.

    I live in the PacNW (“Cascadia”), so I’ve spent lots of time in the Puget Sound/San Juans area and for business over the years in Vancouver/Victoria.

  19. BC on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 3:06 pm 

    onlooker, well said. Thanks.

  20. apneaman on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 3:24 pm 

    I hear ya. That’s why I “chose” to be born white male middle class Canadian in the later half of the 1960’s – cause I’m so smart and I knew it would give me more advantages, security and opportunity than most people whoever lived or will. Ain’t I just so fucking brilliant and deserving? With the exception of the figure head royalty of post WWII, I have had an easier and more interesting life than all the kings, emperors, czars and pharos ever did. Henry the VIII, had to drag around a very painful pus oozing infected leg for years and years, whereas I can pop into any clinic or hospital and get a $10 bottle of pills to clear that shit up 24/7. Sure Henry had access to more pussy than me, but I have had plenty and I bet all of it tasted and smelled better than any he had. Whew!

  21. GregT on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 3:26 pm 

    “It helps also that their parents probably for the most part are encouraging them knowing full well that they have to change the world for the good of all.”

    I maintain that the average Smiths have little idea of the trajectory that we are on, and those that do are mostly in a state of denial, or willfully ignorant.

    Many of my friends had children later in life than my wife and I did. There are only two of them that I dare bring these subjects up with. I’ve learned to keep my mouth shut, if I hope to maintain relationships with the rest. Although I will admit, people are slowly beginning to wake up.

  22. apneaman on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 3:53 pm 

    Greg, I hear a lot of “oh it’s not that bad” and “they’ll think of something”. Yeah it is – no they won’t.

    Look the glass is half full!

    Earth Has Lost Half of Its Trees Since Dawn of Civilization

    https://ecowatch.com/2015/09/04/earth-lost-half-trees/?utm_content=bufferffcf4&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

  23. apneaman on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 4:46 pm 

    Capitalism Could Have Worked

    Capitalism is like Christianity, it’s never been tried really, at least not in this era.

    Capitalism doesn’t work when the people at the top of the pyramid are massively inept and corrupt and the people at the bottom are writing in coloring books while lying in the fetal position.

    http://ponziworld.blogspot.ca/2015/09/capitalism-could-have-worked.html?utm_content=buffer17dbd&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

  24. Truth Has A Liberal Bias on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 5:39 pm 

    Foss has been going on and on about a deflationary collapse every day since 2009. She has a very simplistic and homogenous view of collapse. I get tired of it after a few minutes and have to stop listening to her.

  25. marmico on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 6:03 pm 

    This is FOSS from 2009.

    http://theautomaticearth.blogspot.ca/2009/06/june-17-2009-40-ways-to-lose-your.html

    What a moronic blowhard!

  26. GregT on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 6:13 pm 

    Foss was correct back then, and she is still correct now. The collapse hasn’t happened yet boys, but as sure as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, it will.

    You should be looking at this as a warning to do something positive for your futures, instead of being afraid of them.

  27. GregT on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 6:27 pm 

    “What a moronic blowhard!”

    And I see you’re still just as nasty as usual. Still can’t get laid eh?

  28. Boat on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 6:48 pm 

    Greg T,
    You want to preach to the rest of the world. What is it exactly you have done that rises to your level of something positive for your future.

  29. GregT on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 7:53 pm 

    I’ve moved away from a densely populated area. I have absolutely zero debt. I am involved at the local community level, and I know how to grow and preserve my own food. I am not reliant on anyone else for my water supply, or basic electricity. I have a home with great insulation, with a wood stove, and access to 1000s of acres of trees, if need be. I have access to a salmon stream at the back of my property. I have stocked up on hand tools, and I know how to use them. I have stocked up on firearms, and I am well trained in their use. The area that I have chosen to relocate to has a society that is well aware of the implications of economic collapse and climate change, and both are a part of the overall community plan. My neighbours raise goats, sheep, pigs, cattle, chickens, rabbits, and alpacas, and I plan on raising some of these myself. We are overrun with deer and rabbits. I am staring at 3 deer outside of my window right now. I have at least a years worth of food on hand, my water comes from a well, I have stocked up on good outdoor clothing, shoes, socks and underwear. I have taken advanced first aid and survival courses. (I was trained at one point as a paramedic) I have a stock of antibiotics, suture material, and needles. Need more?

    Most of all, I have a loving wife and great kids. My wife entirely gets it, and has been completely onboard for the last 5 years of our planning.

  30. Boat on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 9:12 pm 

    But what are you doing to solve the worlds climate problems. If you need the ER room for your kids, you gonna use it? You buy any food from a store? Your kids go to school? You ever bought any tools? Do you use the roads all the masses pay for? As a man who never had a child and helped pay for the schools, buses etc. You feel any responsibility?

    Now tell me once again how in a sense of fairness your going to give every human the same advantage? Or is this just your globe and were just living in it. Or do you feel your prep separates you from the rest of the world and you now get the right to use the world wide web to complain about everybody else.

  31. Davy on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 9:49 pm 

    Boat, we doomers are honest in the first place. That is where it all starts. Problems are dealt with when one approaches them rationally. Rationality requires honesty. This is more than telling truth or lying. This honesty allows oneself to call everything into question.

    We as a people have becom habituated to moral relativity. This has allowed selective knowledge seek. We doomers doom because we honestly see danger ahead. We prep because danger is something you prep for. This is a trait that should be promoted instead we are looked upon as freaks. This is because society has not acknowledge real and present danger. Society promotes growth and progress instead. Until there is a crisis there will be no changes.

  32. GregT on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 10:49 pm 

    “But what are you doing to solve the worlds climate problems.”

    Be the change that you wish to see in the world Boat. That is what I am doing.

    “you now get the right to use the world wide web to complain about everybody else”

    Not complaining about everyone else Boat. There are many people that read these forums on a daily basis, who do not post. Those people deserve to hear the truth. There are a few people that constantly belittle the messages that our scientific community is shouting out loudly about, and people also need to understand that our economies are in trouble, and why.

    Comments like “What a moronic blowhard!” above, do nothing to contribute to the conversation. They are made by people who are angry, in denial, willfully ignorant, and scared. Nicole Foss is not spending her time running around peddling doom for the fun of it. She is doing it because, like myself and others here, we would prefer to see more people prepared for the transition, and to see less people suffer.

  33. Makati1 on Fri, 4th Sep 2015 11:01 pm 

    Boat:

    “Failure to prepare is to prepare to fail”.

  34. Boat on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 12:05 am 

    Davy, This is a trait that should be promoted instead we are looked upon as freaks. This is because society has not acknowledge real and present danger. Society promotes growth and progress instead. Until there is a crisis there will be no changes.

    A. I personally have never called anyone a freak. In fact I am usually one of the calmer and nicer of the posters because as Greg-t says, it doesn’t add to the conversation.

    B.I agree with you that society will not see the problem until there is a crisis. In fact I have suggested many types of remedy’s from no immigration to instituting a carbon tax. Taxing children instead of tax breaks for having children and on and on. I do not promote growth/progress but sustainability. I cannot help it if some of you doomers can’t read and decipher what I write.

    C. I separate two of the most prevalent conversations. One is oil depletion. I just read all the information and see no shortage of oil for a long time. This has nothing to do with climate change. This has nothing to do with being a corny. This is just a short to mid term fact. The worlds economy continues to grow and so does fuel consumption. In spite of price, wars, etc. I think it will continue to do so.

    D. Of course there are climate change effects but as of yet there is not a crisis that will a new paradigm of change to how the world operates. Your point.I believe were decades away but geopolitics will be a bigger and sooner threat if I guessed.

    E. I don’t belittle the scientific community. There are huge differences in opinion and this animal/climate is so huge and has so many factors nobody knows the damage for sure and how fast. It’s a rolling time played event and they will get better as we go along.

    F. Your BAU comments are wrong IMO. The only BAU is change that keeps getting more rapid. Some good, some bad. I read every day about the changes like most of us. Lets take the refrigerator. The energy consumed by one machine is equal to what eight Ethiopians use in a day for power according to a Bill Gates web site. Not my fault they are so poor and have so many kids. But the refrigerators from the 50’s vrs the ones made today save thousands of power plants from being built. Just one of hundreds of examples. I don’t know but I would bet you want a fridge come crash time whenever it happens and plan for it. Don’t discount technology.

  35. apneaman on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 2:04 am 

    boat, there are not enough letters in the alphabet to go through all the things you’re wrong about, but you continue to discount the jevons paradox. You could build a fridge that runs off lactose intolerance farts, but the energy saved by that will just be used to open another dollar store or some other useless amusement. Also spare everyone the scientific “opinion” misdirection meme. We know a lot and the many things like records are not opinions. Disappearing glaciers and ice sheets are not opinions. Droughts are not opinions nor are the increasing number of heatwaves, wildfires, dead, dying and disappearing species, algal blooms, water shortages, etc, etc. There are not too many major issues being argued in the scientific community – the redneck/denier/minimizer/delusional community is another matter entirely. What you will find some scientists admitting to is their errors in their models – that they underestimated how fast things would happen. They were off in many cases by decades, but I do not require their admissions as I have been following along for sometime and all their work is freely available for anyone to look at and of course there are many changes anyone can plainly see.

    Take a look at these glacier pictures boat and tell me if it’s just an “opinion” that they are disappearing.

    Vanishing glaciers of Alaska

    http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/repeat-photography-of-alaskan-glaciers/

    I could give a thousand examples boat and in fact I do with my daily doom links. For some time now I almost never link predictive studies or models. Don’t have to as there are dozens of real world documentations every fucking day. No opinions, No predictions just daily destruction – irrefutable and growing.

  36. Davy on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 6:40 am 

    Boat, you don’t get it. You missed my point. The cornucopians are so bought into the status quo they will lie about it. They lie to themselves with a feeling of a future the same or better as the current life they live. Problems will be overcome through technology and development. Dangers are far into the future. They lie to the public through the mainstream media, industry lobby arms, and bought off and delusional academic think tanks.

    I see very little the world over of honest critical thinking. I do believe at least on the climate front we have a critical mass of scientist that have come to the conclusion we are toast. These scientist are mum on the subject for fear of their jobs. That is saying something right there about the cornucopian controlled world. We doomers call everything into question. We are honest with ourselves and life. I am not talking the survivalist fringes and religious doomers. I am talking about the few with a brain on the world wide web trying to tell the world we are a train wreck.

    Boat, you are living a lie in a world of lies. This world is insane and you are acclimated to being insane. Boat, I am not saying you are a bad guys just deluded of the truth. Many if not most of the people around me are caught up in the same thing. Most ignore the subject. You are our focus because you are cheerleading the insane and telling us doomers we are delusional when it is you who are deceived.

  37. marmico on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 7:54 am 

    Foss was correct back then, and she is still correct now.

    Foss is a moronic blowhard. Any falsifiable prediction in the list of 40 has been proven false. The rest is just bupkis filler so she can fleece the “Green Acres” tribe with the double, double, toil and trouble chant.

  38. onlooker on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 8:07 am 

    Wow, I have heard it said better in a long time Davy. Thanks for sharing those insights and calling out the cornies on this site.

  39. Davy on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 8:14 am 

    Marm, I didn’t think you would be out of bed considering the red the market painted yesterday. How is your little portfolio doing? Boat said his was OK because he has a special trading strategy for red markets. I imagine you have hundreds of Freddy Fluff Charts you sleep with. Marm, why do you always come back to our doom board? Marmi, are you closet doomer?

  40. Kelly on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 8:26 am 

    Davy, I’ve never posted here before, but wanted to thank you for your wonderful description of doomers (in your post 9/4/15 @ 9:49 PM). As the only doomer I know locally, I was feeling very stressed from chronic cognitive dissonance yesterday. When you have a totally different belief-system from everyone else around you, you start to wonder who has the grasp on reality, and who doesn’t.

    So I found your post to be a very reassuring reminder that prepping and simplifying one’s life is a RATIONAL choice in the face of perceived danger. Thank you for that!

  41. Boat on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 8:34 am 

    Davy,
    If you log into google news and pick subjects like climate change, oil spills, arctic ice etc , you will find there is a plethora of information. This non attentive MSM you claim sure puts out. Most of the information warns the public of the dangers of climate change. I am willing to work with you in learning how to look for information. Maybe it will help change your mind on your version of truth.

  42. Boat on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 8:37 am 

    Kelly,
    Don’t sell your stock or mutual funds. You will give up earning potential listening to doomers. The end of the earth and system crash has been around for centuries. It may and probably will happen at some point but not anytime soon.

  43. Davy on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 8:49 am 

    Onlooker, I am glad you are now a regular on the board. We need strength in numbers considering the minority we doomers are in fighting peak insanity.

  44. Davy on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 9:00 am 

    Kelly, thanks, please contribute when you can. I am constantly learning from others here.

    BTW, Boat is right don’t blindly sell your abstract wealth invested in the market but don’t do as Boat does and sit on it like a fat cat refusing to believe he is next to a cliff. I have always said if you choose to own abstract wealth and most have to for a variety of reasons, just be ever vigilant to the inherent dangers of a market downturn.

    Treat abstract wealth for what it is and that is chips at a casino. Do not count your chickens before they hatch like Boat does. He thinks he is wealthy because he gets a statement in the mail that says he is.

    I recommend the basics of prepping which are well known. They are physicall, tangible, and have a future. Food is the key. Location of the doomsted is another.

  45. Makati1 on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 9:09 am 

    Boat, my sister cleaned out her 401k and bought a small farm two years ago. Best decision she ever made. She is out of the market totally and is now, at age 50, a registered nurse after 5 years of study while raising her family. If you have stocks today, you are even more stupid than you sound. Only fools play in that rigged game without a super computer making your bets.

  46. marmico on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 9:59 am 

    I imagine you have hundreds of Freddy Fluff Charts you sleep with.

    No, but you are merely an Ozark, Missouri Green Acres fucking demented innumerate word salad prattle asshole Drone for BC, the Freddy Fluff Queen Bee, from Jekyll Island, Georgia. 🙂

    Foss, the moronic blowhard, said in June 2009, cash is king. Well, the S&P500 Total Return Index is only up 140% since then. Plug and play.

  47. Davy on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 10:06 am 

    I love when you talk dirty to me Marmi!

  48. onlooker on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 10:09 am 

    Thanks Davy, we may be a minority but we are on the side of right and truth and besides when the you know what hits the fan we will be better prepared then all the rest Stay well D. Yes I am here to stay

  49. marmico on Sat, 5th Sep 2015 10:26 am 

    Davy’s Green Acres doomstead is wiped out, without firing a single shot at a walking dead zombie, within days when the doom (Yellowstone Caldera) erupts.

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