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How To Recognize When Your Society Is Suffering A Dramatic Decline

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When historians and analysts look at the factors surrounding the collapse of a society, they often focus on the larger events and indicators — the moments of infamy. However, I think it’s important to consider the reality that large scale societal decline is built upon a mixture of elements, prominent as well as small. Collapse is a process, not a singular event. It happens over time, not overnight. It is a spectrum of moments and terrible choices, set in motion in most cases by people in positions of power, but helped along by useful idiots among the masses. The decline of a nation or civilization requires the complicity of a host of saboteurs.

So, instead of focusing on the top down approach, which is rather common, let’s start from the foundations of our culture to better understand why there is clear and definable destabilization.

Declining Moral Compass

There is always a conflict between personal gain and personal conscience — this is the nature of being human. But in a stable society, these two things tend to balance out. Not so during societal decline, as personal gain (and even personal comfort and gratification) tends to greatly outweigh the checks and balances of moral principles.

People often mistake the term “morality” to be a religious creation, but this is not what I am necessarily referring to. The concepts of “good” and “evil” are archetypal — that is to say they are psychologically inherent in most human beings from the moment of birth. This is not a matter of faith, but a matter of fact, observed by those in the field of psychology and anthropology over the course of a century of study.  How we relate to these concepts can be affected by our environment and upbringing, but for the most part, our moral compass is psychologically ingrained. It is up to us to either follow it or not follow it.

Watching how people handle this choice is a bit of hobby of mine, and I do take notes. You can learn a lot about the state of your environment by observing what people around you tend to do when faced with the conflict of personal gain versus personal conscience. It is saddening to admit that even though I live in rural America, where you are more likely to find self-reliance and cultural stability, I can still see a faltering nation bleeding through.

I have seen supposedly good people act dishonestly in business agreements. I have seen local institutions scam hardworking citizens. I have seen a court system rife with bias and a “good old boy” attitude of favoritism. I have seen local companies pretend to be benevolent contributors to the community while at the same time running constant frauds and rackets. I have even seen a few people within the liberty movement itself put the movement at risk with their own avarice, gluttony, narcissism and sociopathy.

Again, it is important to make a note of such people and institutions, for as the system continues its downward spiral it is these people that will present the greatest threat to the innocent.

As Carl Jung notes in his book The Undiscovered Self, there is always a contingent of latent sociopaths and psychopaths within any culture; usually about 10% of the population. In normal times, they, at least most of them, are forced into moral acclimation by the rest of the populace. But in times of decline, they seem to leak out of the woodwork like a slimy fungus. During heightened collapse, they no longer have to pretend to be upstanding and they show their true colors.

Most dangerous is when latent sociopaths or full blown sociopaths assume roles of leadership or power during the worst of times. With everyone distracted by their own plight, these people can become a cancer, infecting everything with their narcissistic pursuits and causing destruction in their wake.

Disinterest In Rewarding Conscience

During wider cultural collapse, it can become “fashionable” to see acts of principle as something to be scoffed at or ridiculed or to even see them as threats to the status quo. The concept of “going along to get along” takes precedence over doing what is right even when it is hard; this attitude is not relegated to the less honest people within society.

As a system collapses, a fog of apathy can result. Good people can become passive, scrambling to their individual corner of the world and hoping evil times will simply pass them by. The phrase “I just want to put all this behind me” is spoken regularly; but as we ignore the trespasses of terrible men and women, we also enable them. How? Because by doing nothing we allow them to continue their criminality, and we subject future persons and generations to victimization.

When doing the right thing is treated as laughable or “crazy” by what seems like a majority in the midst of widespread corruption, you are truly in the middle of a great decline.

In Christian circles, the idea of “the remnant” is sometimes spoken of. In Christian terms, this usually represents a minority of true believers surviving a tumultuous and immoral era. I see “the remnant” not so much as a contingent of Christians alone, but as a contingent of people that continue to maintain their principles and conscience when faced with unprecedented adversity. In the worst of times, these people remain stalwart, even if they are ridiculed for it.

Disinterest In Independent Effort

It is said that in this world there are two kinds of people — leaders and followers.  I’m not so sure about that, but I can see why this philosophy is promoted; it helps evil people in power stay in power by encouraging passive acceptance.

I would say that there are in fact two kinds of people in this world — people who want to control others and the people that just want to be left alone. In life sometimes we are both leaders and followers; we just have to be sure that when we lead we lead by example and not by force, and when we follow, we follow someone worth a damn.

In any case, passivity is not a solution to determining our roles in society. In most situations, independent action is required by every person to make the world a better place. Yet, in an era of systemic crisis, it is usually independent effort that is the first thing to go out the window. Millions upon millions of people wait around for someone, anyone, to tell them what they should be doing and how they should be doing it. In this way, society finds itself in stasis, frozen in a position of inaction.  Poisonous collectivism wins through mass aggression, but also through mass passivity.

In fact, when individualists do take action they can be admonished for it during times of societal breakdown, even if their actions have the potential to solve a problem. The idea that one man or woman (or a small group of people) could do anything about anything is sneered at as “fantasy” or “delusion.”  But mass movements of citizens working towards a practical goal are rare, and even more rare is when these movements are not controlled or manipulated to benefit the established order. It is not mass movements that change the world for the better, but individual people and small organizations of the dedicated, acting without permission and without administration.

It is these individuals and small groups that, over time and through relentless effort, inspire a majority to do what is necessary and right. It is these people that inspire others to finally take leadership in their own lives.

Individual Self-Isolation

I write often on the plight of the individual and individual rights within society, and I continue to see the factor of the individual as the most important element in any culture. A culture based on protecting and nurturing individualism and voluntarism is the only culture, in my view, that will ever be successful at avoiding full spectrum collapse. That said, the downside to overt individualism is the danger of self isolation. That is to say, when true individuals only concern themselves with their personal circumstances and ignore the circumstances of the rest of the world, they eventually set themselves up to be crushed by that world.

Organization on a voluntary basis is not only healthy but vital in the longevity of a society. The more people turn in on themselves and only care about their own general conditions, the easier it is for evil people to do evil things unnoticed. Also, self isolation in the wake of collapse sets individuals up for failure, as no one is capable of surviving without at least some help from a wider pool of knowledge and talents.

In a system based on corruption, the establishment will encourage self isolation as a means to control the populace. Or, they will offer a false choice, between self isolation versus mindless collectivism. The truth is there is always a middle ground. Voluntary organization and individualism are not mutually exclusive. I call this the “difference between community and collectivism.” A community does not supplant the individual, while a collective requires the complete erasure of individual pursuits and thought.

If you find yourself surrounded by people who refuse any organization, even practical and voluntary organization in the face of instability, then your society may be in the latter stages of a collapse.

Disaster Denial

Even as a crisis or collapse unfolds, if a society actually reels or reacts to it and takes note of the problem, there is hope for that society. If, however, that society willfully ignores the danger and denies it exists when presented with overwhelming evidence, then that society will likely suffer complete disintegration and will probably have to start all over from scratch — hopefully with a set of principles and ideals based on conscience and honor.

The strength of a culture can be measured by its willingness to self reflect. Its survival can be determined by its willingness to accept its flaws when they arise and its willingness to repair the damage done. Self-aware societies are difficult to corrupt or control. Only in denial can people be easily manipulated and enslaved.

If you cannot accept the reality of the abyss, you cannot move to avoid it or prepare yourself to survive the fall. I see this issue as perhaps the single most important element in the fight to save the portions of our society worth saving. Educating people on the blatant facts behind our own national decline can dissolve the wall of denial, and perhaps we will find when disaster strikes that there are far more awake and aware individuals ready to act than we originally thought.

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33 Comments on "How To Recognize When Your Society Is Suffering A Dramatic Decline"

  1. JH Wyoming on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 11:52 am 

    “The strength of a culture can be measured by its willingness to self reflect. Its survival can be determined by its willingness to accept its flaws when they arise and its willingness to repair the damage done. Self-aware societies are difficult to corrupt or control. Only in denial can people be easily manipulated and enslaved.”

    Words of wisdom, but what are we doing as a society in the face of difficult situations? The super wealthy via their political cohorts are putting up a wall of denial that many are accepting, with the result of every problem argued from both sides until nothing actually occurs to change course. Which means we are stuck on this path until it shuts down.

  2. Cloggie on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:10 pm 

    How To Recognize When Your Society Is Suffering A Dramatic Decline

    Answer: when there is a deep and insurmountable divide between the “elite” and its values, intentions and the “subjects”.

    The US financial elite wants to own the entire world and at the same time offer its own territory to the rest of the world, in anticipation of One Mixed World, owned by them.

    It looks however that the US is running out of steam before they achieved their intended One World.

    The US population understands itself as “first world”, is however ever more confronted with third world aspects and doesn’t like it one bit:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGSAhNZnisk

    Now here is a real drama brewing.

    And you thought you were living “at the end of history”, just because you lived through Windows 3.1-10 without war?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_history

  3. Duncan Idaho on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:15 pm 

    “And you thought you were living “at the end of history”, just because you lived through Windows 3.1-10 without war?”

    Would not let my hands touch a keyboard with access to that bad of code—-

  4. Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 12:48 pm 

    “How To Recognize When Your Society Is Suffering A Dramatic Decline Answer: when there is a deep and insurmountable divide between the “elite” and its values, intentions and the “subjects”.”

    Will Germany Still Belong To Germans In The Near-Future?
    Via GEFIRA, https://tinyurl.com/ybpfj5ft

    “The speed with which the German population is shrinking seems to be even too much for the statisticians of Destatis, the official German bureau of statistics, who posit that by 2060, with a zero level of net immigration, the German population will have declined to 60,2 million. However, our research team has found out that this number is far too optimistic: in 40 years Germany will have a population of 52,6 million people, a considerable 34% drop from the current 81 million inhabitants, and by the end of the century the native German population, the indigenous people without a migration background, will have shrunk even further and be approaching 21,6 million. The explanation that Destatis has mailed us is tantamount to admitting that their projections are unrealistic. If the German elites succeed in maintaining their population at 80 million, in 2060 the majority of naturalized Germans will have no historical relation to the nation’s ancestors who were once proud subjects of the Holy Roman Empire. Moreover, they will stand in the same relation to Albert Schweitzer, Johann Sebastian Bach, Karl Benz and Friedrich Nietzsche as Recep Tayyip Erdoğan stands to the Byzantine emperors. The excessive numbers of migrants will have altered the German nation forever.”

  5. onlooker on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 1:00 pm 

    It should be changed to how to recognize when your species is Suffering A Dramatic Decline

  6. Cloggie on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 1:01 pm 

    The populist uprising brewing in the European East:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5587975/Fed-mass-immigration-four-countries-threatening-tear-EU-asunder.html#comments

    And for those (Anglos) who would love to see the EU breakup, sorry, not going to happen:

    And unlike Britain, which is strong enough to go its own way, this lot are not inclined to leave anytime soon. Rather, they intend to shake things up from within.

    Add Italy and Austria to the mix.

    Oh and they all love Russia (OK, Poland perhaps not so much).

    #ParisBerlinMoscow

    Again, interesting are the best rated British commenters.

  7. Davy on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 1:04 pm 

    “And for those (Nazis) who would love to see the US breakup, sorry, not going to happen:”

    There changed that one

  8. MASTERMIND on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 1:55 pm 

    UN Population Division Immigration Replacement Plan for US, Europe, and Japan.
    https://imgur.com/a/6Vr7P

    Clogg you Europe needs mass immigration to make up for their low fertility rate. Too may of you white people are morbidly obese and impotent/sterile from drugs and alcohol. If they don’t their economies will collapse and they will suffer state failures.

  9. Anonymouse1 on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 2:05 pm 

    From article\\”As Carl Jung notes in his book The Undiscovered Self, there is always a contingent of latent sociopaths and psychopaths within any culture; usually about 10% of the population. In normal times, they, at least most of them, are forced into moral acclimation by the rest of the populace. But in times of decline, they seem to leak out of the woodwork like a slimy fungus. During heightened collapse, they no longer have to pretend to be upstanding and they show their true colors.”

    Sound like anyone we know here? Mmm, now who resembles this description to a tee…..

    There you go exceptionalist. You are not one of the ‘1%’ (RoFL ya right), but rather, you are one of the 10%. But with an important difference. There is nothing ‘latent’ about your sociopathy. Its is full-blown and running on all 8 cylinders.

    Lets apply the authors bullet points and see how they stack up.

    The exceptionlist

    Declining Moral Compass – Check (No moral compass to speak of would be more accurate in his case).

    Disinterest In Rewarding Conscience -Check. See above. Impossible to ‘reward’ something you don’t possess.

    Disinterest In Independent Effort – Check. Purports to live the rarefied life of a well-to-do ‘doomsteader’ (lol), but spends all his waking hours (literally), ranting and raving on an relatively obscure, un-moderated comment board.

    Individual Self-Isolation – Check. Isolated, angry and paranoid. No contact with humans, or other amerikans even.

    On the plus side exceptionalist, you aren’t really ‘alone’. As the article points out, in times of decline, individual life-forms like you, multiply and come out of the woodwork as it were.

    10%er indeed…..

  10. Cloggie on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 2:14 pm 

    Germany under Merkel has become a happier, more open country

    ROFL, says a (((Leonid Bershitsky))), writing for (((Bloomberg)))

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonid_Bershidsky

    Look millikike how happy Germoney had become under Soros, um Merkel:

    https://m.youtube.com/results?q=merkel%20muss%20weg&sm=3

  11. Cloggie on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 2:22 pm 

    “Clogg you Europe needs mass immigration to make up for their low fertility rate. Too may of you white people are morbidly obese and impotent/sterile from drugs and alcohol. If they don’t their economies will collapse and they will suffer state failures.”

    What Europe needs is a 1989-treatment of its US-vassal elite.

    The populist revolution has meanwhile reached Austria and Italy.

    Tomorrow Orban will likely enlarge his power:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/viktor-orban-is-likely-to-win-hungarys-election-but-what-happens-next/2018/04/06/620b7e14-36b2-11e8-af3c-2123715f78df_story.html

  12. Norman Pagett on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 3:23 pm 

    denial will be the thing—it already is in fact

    people believe that which gives them comfort—and to be told that the oil age is over is the very opposite of comfort.

    the gullible majority remain convinced that ‘more’ is forever, because they have been told it is so—so that is what they voted for, certain that prosperity is a matter of political will

    Unfortunately there is no more, and steep decline is certain

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00D0ADPFY

    explains how we got into this mess, but not how to get ourselves out of it. It doesn’t make for pleasant reading

  13. Cloggie on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 3:41 pm 

    Hungarian 2018 election campaign Orban’s Fidesz party (50%):

    https://www.counter-currents.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/4-6-18-5.jpg

    No difference with Europe in the thirties:

    https://goo.gl/images/y9gNxk

    This time the to be defeated ideology is not Bolshevism but Multiculturalism, although they both originate from the same source.

  14. MASTERMIND on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 3:56 pm 

    Parents around the world will soon have to eat their babies to stay alive..And you are doomed to a front row seat for the whole show! Coming soon to a world near you!

    https://imgur.com/a/pYxKa

  15. DerHundistlos on Sat, 7th Apr 2018 11:36 pm 

    Cloggie:

    I misplaced the Washington Post article that summarized an analysis of the German Wehrmacht combat performance relative to the US and Great Britain. Would you please repost the link? Thanks.

  16. makati1 on Sun, 8th Apr 2018 2:36 am 

    Those who believe they are prepared for their retirement/future should think again:

    “… those with savings have it stored in financial instruments that will be wiped out as the bankers collapse the system to hide the theft they have been involved in for decades. Those who think they will retire with their IRA, pensions or social security will suddenly find them all gone never to return leaving them with no means to care for themselves….

    All of the social safety nets that exist now to keep people fat and happy will fail leaving mobs of people to roam the streets to seek out what they need to survive. …

    One of the worst problems people have is that when something bad begins to happen they attempt to continue living as they always have and ignore the future consequences until it is too late to do anything meaningful about it”

    Suggestions:
    “Buy a years supply of basic foods and supplies that store easily
    Buy some durable clothing for future use
    Buy an older vehicle for cash that can pull a trailer
    Buy a good used camper trailer for cash that can house your family
    Buy a weapon and ammo for protection and hunting purposes
    Buy a few rolls of silver coins to preserve wealth and act as an emergency fund”

    https://projectchesapeake.wordpress.com/2018/03/19/surviving-the-next-great-depression/

    “Preparation is the key to adapting to future events and those without resources will reap a bitter harvest as they struggle to survive. No announcements will be made, no warnings will be given by the establishment, it will just suddenly happen out of the blue and everyone will say it was unpredictable. But those who prepared will know better.”

    Nuff said.

  17. Outcast_Searcher on Sun, 8th Apr 2018 12:06 pm 

    When the average household income is about $60,000 annually, are we REALLY in collapse? Especially when there are roughly $1 trillion annually from taxpayers in social programs for “the poor” to use, if needed?

  18. Outcast_Searcher on Sun, 8th Apr 2018 12:11 pm 

    Ah, Mastermind. Now it’s baby eating, is it?

    Even less credible you grow, if such a thing is possible.

    It’s like the people who claim there is so much hunger in America, despite food kitchens, poverty pantries, food stamps, churches and other charitable anti-poverty organizations and another $trillion or so in federal anti-poverty programs, plus of course, state and local programs for the poor.

    What is the evidence? Morbidly obese people at the food pantry, with the claim of the food having poor nutrition so it’s “not their fault”?

    Hint: an uneven wealth and income distribution does NOT mean widespread “baby eating”. There are medications you should consider.

  19. MASTERMIND on Sun, 8th Apr 2018 12:16 pm 

    Outcast_Searcher

    Just shut up.
    https://imgur.com/a/pYxKa

    And yes in pretty much all famines throughout history people ate their children. Most notably the Russian famine of the early 20th century. where thousands of people were arrested for snatching up children and eating them!

  20. DerHundistlos on Mon, 9th Apr 2018 2:54 am 

    Why would someone post the above request using my user ID? What’s the point????

  21. Anonymouse1 on Mon, 9th Apr 2018 6:26 am 

    Because clogg-berg is a lying little turd that is why. He has been busy trying to turn this corner of peak oil.com into cloggrahams.WWII pseudo-history \ trump gossip corner ever since he wandered in from the kibbutz. Or something to that effect. I’m sure he feels it would help move that goal along if it looks as if everywhere else is interested in playing along with his constant topic derailing. It is enough the other resident nut-case won’t stop talking about ‘nazis either, now this….

    Trying to make it look like you, and by implication, others, care about endlessly re-hashing WWII as he does.

    Astroturfing, cloggen-fraud style.

  22. Davy on Mon, 9th Apr 2018 7:41 am 

    Weasel, you remind me of a whining little cunt. Always bitching and never being useful. You are a wonderful ambassador for Canada. “Look, I am Canadian and I know how to stalk and prick”. They should make you poster bitch for the Canadian ultranationalist anti-American thumpers. You could also fill in as guest specialist on boring and redundant jew baiting. I guess you are here for attention and resentment because I see no intellectual motivations.

  23. GregT on Mon, 9th Apr 2018 9:22 am 

    “Why would someone post the above request using my user ID? What’s the point????”

    To stir the pot and generate more traffic.

    Try logging in as yourself without the correct password.

    You can’t.

  24. Antius on Mon, 9th Apr 2018 12:20 pm 

    Cloggie wrote: ‘How To Recognize When Your Society Is Suffering A Dramatic Decline

    Answer: when there is a deep and insurmountable divide between the “elite” and its values, intentions and the “subjects”.’

    True. But what I find most pathetic about my own country is the fact that the masses willingly delude themselves into accepting the elite’s values as their own. Basically because, they are frightened of what the authorities will do to them if they speak out against their values.

    In the 1990s, it was popular in political circles in Britain to talk about the need for grass-roots politics, in which non-elite people developed their own political institutions from the ground up, rather than rely upon top-down initiatives. No one says that anymore. The problem is that when a genuine grass-routes political institution did form (the BNP) it was found to share none of the elites values and they hated it and spent an inordinate amount of time trying to brainwash the public into shunning it.

    These efforts were largely successful. The far right in Britain do not exist as a credible political force. Those that didn’t get the message are now routinely banged up in prison. Today in Britain, all educational institutions are required to indoctrinate children with ‘British Values’ a clumsy pseudonym for Cultural Marxism. If you openly espouse political values that don’t conform to that you risk being labelled a terrorist and facing the wrath of the British terror police.

  25. Cloggie on Mon, 9th Apr 2018 12:34 pm 

    Cloggie:

    I misplaced the Washington Post article that summarized an analysis of the German Wehrmacht combat performance relative to the US and Great Britain. Would you please repost the link? Thanks.

    Google keywords “their wehrmacht was better than our army”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1985/05/05/their-wehrmacht-was-better-than-our-army/0b2cfe73-68f4-4bc3-a62d-7626f6382dbd/?utm_term=.e201712b0b70

  26. Cloggie on Mon, 9th Apr 2018 12:41 pm 

    The far right in Britain do not exist as a credible political force.

    Eastern Europe is the great hope and Italy, Austria. Perhaps later Germany and France.

    Orban has 49% of the vote and 2/3 of the seats. And the 2nd party is even more right-wing.

    Kandel, Germany after the death of a girl:

    https://tinyurl.com/y7vt3fpl

    There are continuously “Merkel must go” demonstrations in Germany. Former chancellor Schroeder is openly siding with Putin. Shortly before his death, chancellor Kohl received Orban twice, the message couldn’t be clearer.

  27. MASTERMIND on Mon, 9th Apr 2018 1:04 pm 

    Moscow issues stark warnings on risks US military action in Syria

    https://www.ft.com/content/35e249d8-3c09-11e8-b9f9-de94fa33a81e

  28. joe on Mon, 9th Apr 2018 1:19 pm 

    Look, nato will never march into Red Square, and Israel will take out the whole middle east including precious Mecca if anyone tries to wipe Israel off the map.

  29. MASTERMIND on Mon, 9th Apr 2018 3:24 pm 

    Boomers have a profound sense of entitlement because, in their minds, their parents “saved” the world from the evil Nazis and thus deserve to inherit the Earth…

  30. GregT on Mon, 9th Apr 2018 3:33 pm 

    “Boomers have a profound sense of entitlement because, in their minds, their parents “saved” the world from the evil Nazis and thus deserve to inherit the Earth”

    How do you even manage to come up with such bizarre stuff MM?

  31. makati1 on Mon, 9th Apr 2018 6:06 pm 

    MM has no creditable history education. The USSR won WW2, not the UK or America. Had the Russians not blocked Hitler from the oil fields and resources of Russia, he would likely be speaking German today. They paid the highest price and that is why any war with Russia will end in blood, pain and failure for the attacker.

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