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Canada’s fossil fuel use to peak in 2019
The National Energy Board now projects fossil fuel use in Canada will peak in 2019, a major downward revision of similar estimates it has made annually for the past decade.
It’s the first time in the 11-year history of the NEB’s annual reports on the topic that a peak in fossil fuel demand has been included in the baseline projection.
Previous reports projected demand would increase for the next two or three decades, at least.
The NEB’s projections from previous years are indicated by the lines in different colours. The line in black indicates the latest projection, which has Canadian fossil fuel use peaking in 2019 and then declining slowly after that. (National Energy Board)
The NEB now says things have changed on several fronts, and a peak in domestic demand is likely much sooner than previously expected.
“Improving energy efficiency, somewhat slower economic and population growth projections than in previous outlooks, and climate change policies introduced by various federal and provincial governments underlie this change in trajectory,” the NEB said in a report released Thursday.
The estimate is based on what the NEB calls the “reference case” — a projection based on current economic outlooks, “a moderate view of energy prices” and a national carbon price of $50 per tonne from 2022 to 2040.
The report also includes two other scenarios that involve an even sharper decline in fossil fuel demand after 2019.
The “high carbon price” scenario, which assumes a carbon price that increases steadily starting in 2022, projects fossil fuel demand will be 7.5 per cent lower in 2040 than it is 2017.
The NEB’s latest projections show projected fossil fuel demand peaking in 2019 in three different scenarios: the reference (or baseline) case, the high-carbon price case and the technology case. (National Energy Board)
And the “technology” scenario, which assumes an increasing carbon price and a more rapid change in alternative energy and efficiency technologies, projects 12.3 per cent lower demand in 2040, compared to the current year.
The NEB has been publishing these types of projections each year since 2007 as part of its Canada’s Energy Future reports.
The analysis is “not a prediction of what will take place, nor does it aim to achieve certain goals like Canada’s climate targets,” the report cautions.
”Rather, Energy Futures employs economic and energy models to make projections based on a certain set of assumptions given past and recent trends related to technology, energy and climate policies, human behaviour, and the structure of the economy.”
52 Comments on "Canada’s fossil fuel use to peak in 2019"
ty on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 4:01 pm
Interesting that they show a near-term increased RATE of consumption – acceleration of consumption – followed by a decrease. Be curious to know the assumptions that led to this.
MASTERMIND on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 5:25 pm
This is pure nonsense. Just to keep the sheeple believing peak oil supply is nothing to worry about…the wolf has been sent on his way…
paulo1 on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 5:35 pm
Mastermind,
Peak Oil is not a concern for Canadians as we are well beyond energy self-sufficiency for domestic needs. And if Trump pulls out of NAFTA current sales could be allocated elsewhere, perhaps China? 🙂
Of course, that’s just a pipeline dream. 🙂
Go Speed Racer on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 5:59 pm
LOL. In 2019 the Canadians won’t
drive their pickup trucks anymore.
Won’t run their chainsaws anymore.
And won’t use the riding mower anymore.
Cause they going back to all-natural.
Boat on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 6:45 pm
mm,
You worry about peak oil? You must not be aware there are decades of oil left. Google oil reserves sometime.
Adam on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 7:40 pm
Boat,
you will be shocked in the coming years at how wrong you are.
deadlykillerbeaz on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 8:35 pm
What will the Edmonton Oilers do when oil peaks and then disappears?
What are they gonna do?
There is plenty of forest in Canada, so the wood business will boom!
Plenty of coal up there too.
Potash mining won’t stop, power plants will burn coal, steam engines can be built for rail transportation.
Won’t need as much oil and life will still go on with few interruptions.
You have to be indefatigable, accentuate the positive, attenuate the negative.
Too much fuss and bother about the end of oil, it is not going to happen tomorrow.
Besides, Seagram’s will still distill rye mash into whiskey. Pour some into your gas tank, away you go.
Always will be biofuels, any good diesel engine will still run like a top.
Tree don’t fall on me, I’ll live ’til I die.
Sissyfuss on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 9:06 pm
We will burn everything available until there’s not enough oxygen in the atmosphere to ignite it.
Apneaman on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 10:07 pm
deadlykillerbeaz, in BC and northern Alberta there are a number of hog fuel fired boilers (wood waste from saw mills and such) at pulp mills. I’ve built a few of them and done plenty of maintenance too. Remember in the 90’s when they told us computers would kill the need for most paper? I remember some Boilermakes sweating over that (OMG they gonna shut down all the pulp mills!), now there is more paper than ever thanks to computer printers.
There is tons of bug wood (dead trees form the pine beetle who hasen’t been dying back in winter like in the old days thanks to AGW) in BC now and some have been trying to find an economical use for it with varying results. Could always use that to fuel a power boiler or two, but BC’s electricity is already 75% hydro and there is plenty of natural gas here too. Course when we go broke we won’t need so much not having all that shit to plug in anymore. Liquid fuel will be the main problem, same as everywhere else.
BTW, did you know Seagrams is/was a Canadian company started in 1847 by an immigrant Jew (that’s why clog loves to drink it). There’s a long term job creator eh? I think it’s under the umbrella of some major corporation now like everything else.
Boat on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 11:14 pm
If we can still burn shyt, google the green river formation. They are saying 3 trillion barrels.
antaris on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 11:22 pm
Non recoverable shyt.
Boat on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 11:29 pm
Sissyfuss on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 9:06 pm
“We will burn everything available until there’s not enough oxygen in the atmosphere to ignite it.”
Sis, sis, sis, We burn until climate change kills off 2nd and 3rd world nations. The 1st world nations will keep trading and burning but mainly survive. Plenty of oil and oxygen for that. Robots will replace much of the need for the poor. Just have money and a skill to pay for housing that can withstand high winds and floods.
Mick on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 11:31 pm
Yes there is 20 million tons of gold in the oceans and for the same reason will never mined . Unprofitable Shyt
Boat on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 11:36 pm
google antius. See if you can come back with a rig number.
Apneaman on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 11:37 pm
boat that’s kerogen and who is they? Many have tried and all have failed, so to change my mind all I need is to see some Cancer crews getting it out of the ground economically and in large amounts. Let me know when that happens at which point I will say ‘oh look at that, they made it work after all’. I wait with bated breath boater.
makati1 on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 11:37 pm
“The 1st world nations will keep trading and burning but mainly survive.” They will be the first to go, not the rest. No delusions in your mind, Boat. Do you live in Davy Land? LMAO
makati1 on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 11:42 pm
Maybe Boat ate too much baby food?
“Two-thirds of US baby foods test positive for arsenic, many contain lead & cadmium – study”
” Some 65 percent of baby food products in the US – including four out of five baby formulas – contain traces of the toxin arsenic, a new study has found, but officials say there is little they can do to remove substances that could harm developing infants.
The Clean Label Project study of 530 baby products also found that 36 percent of the products contained lead, 58 percent cadmium and 10 percent acrylamide. While most samples contained only trace amounts of the toxins, some exceeded the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recommendations by up to six times.”
https://www.rt.com/usa/407792-baby-food-toxins-study/
Dumbing down the serfs is working. lmao
Apneaman on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 11:44 pm
Mak, let’s see the study and the data.
Apneaman on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 11:48 pm
Mak, that’s an extraordinary claim with major implications if true. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That means at the least a peer reviewed study. Let’s see it.
makati1 on Thu, 26th Oct 2017 11:58 pm
Ap, which claim? The baby food one or the Boaty dream?
makati1 on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 12:10 am
Peer review means little today as anyone can be bought. But here are a few sources…
“Arsenic in your food” (2012) “White rice grown in Arkansas, Louisiana, Missouri, and Texas, which account for 76 percent of domestic rice, generally had higher levels of total arsenic and inorganic arsenic in our tests than rice samples from elsewhere. … Worrisome arsenic levels were detected in infant cereals, typically consumed between 4 and 12 months of age.”
https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/magazine/2012/11/arsenic-in-your-food/index.htm
“Researchers Found Arsenic, Lead and Other Heavy Metals In Baby Foods, Says Advocacy Group”
http://fortune.com/2017/10/26/baby-food-arsenic/
“These baby foods and formulas tested positive for arsenic, lead and BPA in new study”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/10/25/these-baby-foods-and-formulas-tested-positive-arsenic-lead-and-bpa-new-study/794291001/
Not a surprise.
Boat on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 12:54 am
mak,
Moving to the most densely populated city in the world to prep for the big crash. Let’s just say your unique. lol
Boat on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 1:29 am
The company is seeking to derive new value from its five Lower 48 business units, including its Green River and San Juan Basin assets, through innovative well design and techniques, BP said in a June 2016 presentation. BP is pursuing not only conventional vertical drilling, but single tight oil and gas horizontal wells, winerack horizontal wells, and both stacked and coplanar multi-lateral horizontal wells.
In 2015, BP drilled at its North – Greater Green River assets its first horizontal well in eight years. In June 2016, the company spud its first multi-lateral well at Green River, and has been aggressively building its drilling inventory there. BP estimates its North – Green River Basin to hold potential resources of 1.4 billion barrels of oil equivalent (Bboe); these resources include reservoirs with dry gas, wet gas, condensate and oil.
http://www.rigzone.com/news/oil_gas/a/148293/bp_plays_long_game_with_rockies_assets/?all=hg2
makati1 on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 1:44 am
Boat, lets say I am smart. Talking about numbers and not lifestyles, culture, and the whole picture is like comparing oranges and carrots. Both are the same color, but there the similarity ends.
I have been here almost 10 years and I still think it is the best choice I could have made. America is dying. It is turning into a western Bangladesh with chaos, guns and drugs. When it collapse’ it will be truly worse than here. The fall will be horrendous.
Boat on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 1:56 am
Wyoming’s leading oil producer extols value of the Powder River Basin
http://trib.com/business/energy/wyoming-s-leading-oil-producer-extols-value-of-the-powder/article_c5cf6146-9a9d-58ba-a81e-f66e73254a99.html
Davy on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 4:49 am
“Peer review means little today as anyone can be bought. But here are a few sources…”
Mad kat, why don’t you show any studies about what is in Asian food since they have the highest rates of contamination in the world. I mean come on that is more sensational. IMA, what does arsenic have to do with the topic of Canadian fossil fuel use?
Davy on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 4:56 am
“I have been here almost 10 years and I still think it is the best choice I could have made.”
Mad kat, we don’t care about your choice. You tell us daily about your choice and how stupid we are. Did you ever think about that? You extol yourself and belittle others. In fact it is more insidious than a few belittles. You have been doing this for years now. Something is wrong with you. All choices have pluses and minuses. We can categorize them objectively but saying you are right and others are wrong is an emotional agenda. Those of us who are prepping should be helping others to not telling them how stupid they are.
Antius on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 5:36 am
“Some 65 percent of baby food products in the US – including four out of five baby formulas – contain traces of the toxin arsenic, a new study has found, but officials say there is little they can do to remove substances that could harm developing infants.”
Makati, all food on the planet contain arsenic, lead and even a trace amounts of plutonium from bomb tests carried out between the 1940s-1960s.
Whether or not that is a problem depends entirely on how much is present. One part per thousand of any of those things would certainly be cause for concern. One part per trillion – probably no problem.
My point is that these sorts of statements are meaningless without arithmetic. Rather like those statements after Fukushima that claimed US coastal waters had hundreds of time natural levels of iodine-131. That was probably true, but if natural levels are close to zero, then what sounds like a big problem is actually not a problem at all.
Sad to see that you and Davy are still bleeding your time away in pointless bitchfests. Do you both enjoy it?
makati1 on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 6:10 am
Antius, Arithmetic? How does tens of thousands of deaths not prove the quantities in the foods are not safe? I worked in chemical labs and know such chemicals are deadly. Especially to babies. I have worked with lead, arsenic, mercury, and other even more dangerous chemicals. What you and I as adults can tolerate is much different than a baby or child.
No,I prefer an honest debate with an intelligent, mature person to replying to Davy’s rants. I have decide to ignore most of them as I already know that he is resorting to his usual putdowns and name calling instead of rational rebuttals. Not worth my time.
Davy on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 6:20 am
“Sad to see that you and Davy are still bleeding your time away in pointless bitchfests. Do you both enjoy it?”
Antius, it is not only with mad kat it is also with cloggie. This is a matter of respect, balance, and moderation. I am going to continue to moderate their extremist comments. This is just the way it is until something changes on this site. I have been here longer than most people and I dedicate lots of my time to this board. If people like mad kat and cloggie cannot respect my presence then this will be an intellectual battle.
This is an American critical site. This is good because many of the problems in the world are American BUT using this board as a bully pulpit of anti-Americanism is not going to fly with me. Using this board as a place for personal emotional advancement is not responsible. This is what both mad kat and cloggie do. They talk themselves up and those they hate down. This means they are belittling me daily with extremist unsubstantiated comments directly and indirectly. They use facts in dubious ways to paint a picture that is their opinion and often fantasy. A little of this is natural but when it becomes extreme the whole comment board becomes a magnet of extremism. I am going to fight this until I am kicked off. That is the way it is and I have proven my dedication to this point. This should be a comment board dedicated to the truth in all its objectivity and balance not a dumping ground for anti-Americanism.
Davy on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 6:22 am
“I worked in chemical labs and know such chemicals are deadly.”
That is a new one to add to the list. What did you do mad kat?
deadlykillerbeaz on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 6:41 am
Apneaman, during Prohibition, Seagram’s opened up shop in Weyburn, Saskatchewan. Later on, they moved to Brandon,Manitoba. Then over to Winnipeg, had to keep moving to avoid detection. After that, it was over to Montreal. When Prohibition ended, Seagram’s moved to New York City.
Canada benefitted greatly from Prohibition.
Also, Al Capone was the first US businessman to make 100,000,000 dollars per year.
‘Easy’ Eddie O’Hare was Al’s lawyer. Eddie’s son became an ace pilot during WWII. That’s how O’Hare Airport in Chicago came to be.
Cloggie on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 6:53 am
Sad to see that you and Davy are still bleeding your time away in pointless bitchfests. Do you both enjoy it?
Probably.lol
Antius on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 6:58 am
“Antius, Arithmetic? How does tens of thousands of deaths not prove the quantities in the foods are not safe? I worked in chemical labs and know such chemicals are deadly. Especially to babies. I have worked with lead, arsenic, mercury, and other even more dangerous chemicals. What you and I as adults can tolerate is much different than a baby or child.”
Like a said, the risk from a non-microbial toxin is proportional to dose. That is true for everyone, although youngsters may have lower thresholds. The reason I can eat my sandwich without worrying about the plutonium it contains, is because the quantities are extremely small. Therefore the risk to my health is small compared to other risks that I face in life.
The same may or may not be true of your baby food. My point is without knowing the numbers you are talking garbage, because every food in the world is contaminated with every element on the periodic table.
You cannot gauge the extent of the problem without knowing how much and understanding it in the context of some toxicity or risk threshold. It is people’s general inability to do that that leads to grossly disproportionate reactions against tiny hazards (Chernobyl contamination, mobile phone masts) and completely under react to problems like their children getting fat, which literally has an even chance of knocking a decade off of their life-expectancy. Without arithmetic and reasoned judgement, you find yourself shooting in the dark.
Davy on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 7:00 am
“Sad to see that you and Davy are still bleeding your time away in pointless bitchfests. Do you both enjoy it? Probably.lol”
Stupid Dutch hypocrite. You are the worst on the board these days for bitchfesting. In fact it is you and mad kat that initiate these bitch fests
Cloggie on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 7:55 am
Hmm, strange that a neutral person like Antius is pointing to you and makati.
You have meanwhile replaced Apneaman as the most boorish person on this board.
#TrailerParkDave
makati1 on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 8:01 am
Cloggie, is Antius a Davy clone? I’m beginning to suspect that Mastermind is.
Antius on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 8:07 am
“Hmm, strange that a neutral person like Antius is pointing to you and makati.
You have meanwhile replaced Apneaman as the most boorish person on this board.”
It is a general issue on this board Cloggie, they are not the only culprits, just the most noticeable ones. Either way, it diminishes it. Have you noticed how few people actually bother to regularly comment here these days?
Since most of us are unlikely to run across each other in real life, I am puzzled why anyone here cares enough to actually feud with each other.
Back to the topic of the board: Does fossil fuel use include the fossil fuels needed to harvest Canada’s Bitumen? I suspect yes. So presumably, an imminent peak in oil sand production is expected too?
Cloggie on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 8:30 am
Antius is definitely NOT Davy as he knows to much about energy. And I think that even Davy is too modest to call himself “MASTERMIND”.
Have you noticed how few people actually bother to regularly comment here these days?
That’s because peak-oil is no longer a topic that attracts international attention. Only the regulars here hang on and use it mostly as a social board. A sort of Facebook for (former?) nostalgic doomers.
It is not up to me, but I would love to see the board generalize a little more, away from focus on oil towards energy in general, environment, climate change and geopolitics, with a little more positive underlying attitude.
Apart from Rockman there are hardly real experts on oil here, like you used to have in the comment section of theoildrum.com.
A name change could do a lot to attract new posters.
Davy on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 9:54 am
“You have meanwhile replaced Apneaman as the most boorish person on this board.”
LOL, I sure get your attention daily which means in your case I got your dumbass pegged.
Davy on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 10:01 am
“Cloggie, is Antius a Davy clone? I’m beginning to suspect that Mastermind is.”
Mad kat, shut up and be a big boy and quit showing your hurt feelings. If you are going to be an asswipe you will be treated like an asswipe. Don’t drag Antius into this who is smarter than you and clogged combined on many issues.
Davy on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 10:08 am
“Have you noticed how few people actually bother to regularly comment here these days?”
Antius, I am all for moderation, balance, and respect. Until that is present here I am not going to dish it out for free. These things are earned. Mad Kat, Cloggie, and several other choose to make this an extremist magnet site. I am just moderating their comments. I have no problem talking about subjects that are American critical. Where I object is when it becomes anti-American extremism along with a home team promotion. This is silly to allow. I am all for something different but I will say this I have succeeded in neutering a lot of the extremism. It is hard work but rewarding work. It is also a challenge that I enjoy.
TheNationalist on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 10:16 am
Cloggie is right we need to be more positive and stop attacking each other!
Maybe we should all suggest one thing people should do to help with our energy, pollution or end of days (PetroYuan / global cooling etc)issues?
Here in Australia we are cutting back on plastic use and more “clean up Australia” days should be part of our culture.
Antius on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 11:03 am
“Antius, I am all for moderation, balance, and respect. Until that is present here I am not going to dish it out for free. These things are earned. Mad Kat, Cloggie, and several other choose to make this an extremist magnet site. I am just moderating their comments. I have no problem talking about subjects that are American critical. Where I object is when it becomes anti-American extremism along with a home team promotion. This is silly to allow. I am all for something different but I will say this I have succeeded in neutering a lot of the extremism. It is hard work but rewarding work. It is also a challenge that I enjoy.”
Well, it’s hard not to get ticked off occasionally by some of the opinions on this board and the people that own them. Wouldn’t it be hilarious if half the people on this board turned out to be AIs and we humans had been pouring our time into debating with computer algorithms? Since we never get to meet them, they really might as well be. Maybe I’m an AI? Can anyone here really prove that I’m not?
Ultimately, the opinions of Makati, Cloggie, myself and others, don’t really count for spit. I can never really be bothered to get upset about Cloggie’s digs on Brexit. Mainly because the situation is what it is, for better or for worse and the opinion of a keyboard warrior who might be an AI for all I know, doesn’t change the situation. Likewise, Makati’s wet dreams of a US collapse have no real impact on the likelihood of it happening. He had better hope it doesn’t happen, because the Chinese will turn his wrinkled ass into Soylent Green and grind his bones into fertiliser for their paddy fields. But his desire to see happen, assuming he isn’t a computer programme, has no bearing on it one way or another.
I enjoy some of the political intrigue on this board. Politically, I share Clogster’s desire for a prosperous Europe, would like to see a lot more immigration control and believe that national consciousness is indelibly tied to ethnicity. I think our only chance of long term survival as a species is to leave a crowded and depleted planet and start tapping resources elsewhere in the solar system. But again, my opinion doesn’t count for spit. I could be an AI for all anyone knows or should really care.
The real jewels to be had from this board are whatever we can collectively learn from it. If it helps at all to nail down some workable solutions (political, energy, etc) to the shitstorm heading our way, then it has been useful and worthwhile. Someone, somewhere, might be able to use it. If you enjoy interacting with the board and get nothing else out of it, then it is not a futile exercise, just as playing computer games is not futile if you enjoy it. But the bitchfests do seem futile – unless the participants really do enjoy them. They don’t tend to be productive in a technical sense, they raise the blood pressure of both parties and at the end of the day, they are boring to read and don’t seem to generate anything interesting.
Apneaman on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 11:18 am
“Peer review means little today as anyone can be bought.”
Really Mak? So, like clog and the other climate & reality deniers everything that you don’t like is now a conspiracy? That’s very convenient. You never lose an argument (only in your own head), regardless of evidence, for the rest of your life. Also, I don’t care how many other ‘sources’ repeated that same unsubstantiated bullshit – Argumentum ad populum.
I like to look at the study so I can see for myself the methodology and how they use statistics and the sampling size etc.
“How to Lie with Statistics”
Precise falsehoods exist for many reasons. Beware of the tricks.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-fair-society/201111/how-lie-statistics
The Importance and Limitations of Peer-Review
“Conclusion
Here is the bottom line – peer-review is a necessary component of quality control in science, but is no guarantee of quality, and you have to know the details of the journal that is providing the peer-review.”
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-importance-and-limitations-of-peer-review/
Davy on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 12:28 pm
“Cloggie is right we need to be more positive and stop attacking each other!”
Yea, sure nationalist, on clog terms with his golden Euro, anti-American agenda. Sure he wants everyone positive so he can proselytize in peace.
Cloggie on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 12:31 pm
But the bitchfests do seem futile – unless the participants really do enjoy them.
They do.
Other people like to seek competition by playing chess or soccer.
Cloggie on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 12:36 pm
Really Mak? So, like clog and the other climate & reality deniers everything that you don’t like is now a conspiracy?
For the 100th time, I’m not a climate change denier, in fact climate change is one of the most important motivators for me to push renewable energy and I support the Paris Accords.
The difference is that I deny that you and other hard-core doomers have the knowledge that humanity will be over by the end of the century. Maybe it is, more like it isn’t. I despise defaitism, regardless if some here call that “hopium”.
Davy on Fri, 27th Oct 2017 12:50 pm
Antius, my daughter is Spanish and my wife Italian so I want a prosperous Europe too. If I show bad numbers on Europe it is in response to clogs anti-Americanism or his talking up the home Euro team. I am one who looks at the world in a systematic sense with a globalization that has taken down borders. What happens here affect someone somewhere else. That is not all of it because the old nationalist tendencies are still there. One of my wife’s best friends is 1st gen Chinese. I have nothing personal against the Chinese. If I paint bad numbers on them it is only in response to the extremist anti-Americans here who are pushing an Asian agenda. I am fine with American critical but keep it balanced and truthful. If it is not I am going to moderate it. The truth is balanced not prejudiced.
This is about all of us trying to find some kind of compromise for some very difficult times ahead. I enjoy the bitchfests as far as it is a challenge to neuter extremist agendas. You have to be dedicated with tough skin. What I do no enjoy is a great place to learn and express opinions is being disrupted and in many cases ruined. This board is in the gutter more than I have ever seen it in years. Yet, sometimes things need to break to be reborn. This is war and I am not going to stop until my opponent’s compromise. I am all for moderation and respect but again as I have said it has to be earned. Peace is much harder than war to secure and its terms much steeper. This is all just a game anyway. Internet forums are just a board game of our minds so does it really matter. On the other hand we are talking about issues that are in the end matters of life and death. In that respect this does matter and should matter. In the end many of us want the truth for understanding what appears to be more and more a wicked life.
Kenz300 on Sat, 28th Oct 2017 10:42 am
I wonder what the impact has been from just the adoption of LED light bulbs.
Saving energy saves money.