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A Fact? Life As We Know It WILL Change

interview with author & researcher Chris Martenson. Buckle up, peak oil has arrived and Chris says it’s a fact – our lives are about to change



71 Comments on "A Fact? Life As We Know It WILL Change"

  1. rockman on Wed, 27th May 2015 8:54 am 

    “…peak oil has arrived and Chris says it’s a fact – our lives are about to change”. About to change??? I guess Chris may have missed some of the headlines about recessions, $trillions in US tax receipts spent on ME adventures, $billions of royalties paid to the govt and private mineral owners, hundreds of $billions of oil patch debt taken on, Over a $trillion MORE paid by US oil consumers in the last 10 year above the historical average price of oil, etc. etc. And last but not least I’m pretty sure the families and friends of the thousands of our military that died in those ME adventures feel significantly changed.

    Still amazes me how some folks seem oblivious to what has been going on in our energy world for more than a decade. And some appear to think that the “bad times” are still ahead of us. The situation may well get worse but that isn’t to say we haven’t had a bad situation to deal with for some time.

  2. Lore on Wed, 27th May 2015 9:31 am 

    Chris is a pretty smart guy and has for the most part had his facts right. One statement I totally agree with is that “facts don’t change beliefs”.

  3. dave thompson on Wed, 27th May 2015 9:45 am 

    The part that Martenson is saying about people being in a position to profit from this “change” is rather perplexing.

  4. nony on Wed, 27th May 2015 9:53 am 

    For consumers things at 65 are worse than they were 10 years ago at 30. But better than last 4 years at 100+. And the new shale supplies did prevent the 150+. Let alone the crazy Simmons savinar Campbell predictions.

  5. steve on Wed, 27th May 2015 9:56 am 

    Yeah I would like the guy if he wasn’t so busy getting rich on collapse! You have to pay for his site and he is always hawking gold…!

  6. Revi on Wed, 27th May 2015 9:56 am 

    I think we are going to see some consequences pretty soon. I have known about peak oil since around ’99, so it’s been 16 years coming, but it’s inevitable that we’re going to have things happen now. I think…

  7. steve on Wed, 27th May 2015 9:57 am 

    I suggest this from Nicole Foss instead

    http://www.theautomaticearth.com/2015/02/sucking-beer-out-of-the-carpet-nicole-foss-at-the-great-debate-in-melbourne/

  8. Dredd on Wed, 27th May 2015 10:24 am 

    Like the man said, we can’t look at economy in isolation or oil prices and availability in isolation.

    And don’t forget not to consider civilization in isolation (You Are Here).

    When the ports go down the international intercourse (trafficking) in poison is going down too.

    The seas are invading and they cannot be stopped (Why The Military Can’t Defend Against The Invasion, The 1% May Face The Wrath of Sea Level Rise First, Why Sea Level Rise May Be The Greatest Threat To Civilization – 2).

  9. Davy on Wed, 27th May 2015 10:40 am 

    Looking at oil prices in isolation is the cornucopian’s main problem. They are unable to see the forest for the trees. This is primarily because of the specialization tendency of Econ 101 which is nothing more than an abstraction of a segment of the human experience. Econ 101 is a linear look at a nonlinear reality. This is the reason the NOo can disassociate himself from reality and spout off all is well and no worries.

  10. BobInget on Wed, 27th May 2015 10:45 am 

    Liquid fuels crisis…It’s here!

    See Nigeria, Iraq.

    Half of all oil—— burned in last 22 years.

    This interview may be dated on current news.
    However, if a person pays attention, most of what a layman needs to know (about oil) is here.

    Natural gas offers only short term relief.

    One way to preserve what oil remains would be to
    convert all NG power plants to wind and solar.
    Convert land transport to NG.

  11. Davy on Wed, 27th May 2015 11:20 am 

    Bob, your idea of preserving oil sounds great but it won’t scale with resources, money, and time. You could rephrase it this way:

    If we want to buy us a short window of relief from liquid fuel shortages and the associated economic collapse we could maximize our effort on AltE and change over our rolling stock to ev and gas as much as we can. This will not amount to much but anything will help. This change over needs to focus on emergency services and vital economic sectors like food and medical.

  12. Plantagenet on Wed, 27th May 2015 11:31 am 

    If peak oil means an oil glut with cheap gasoline, then bring it on!

  13. Apneaman on Wed, 27th May 2015 11:39 am 

    “Life As We Know It WILL Change”

    Bunch of peoples lives changed in Texas, Oklahoma and India in the last few days. Change the chemistry of the atmosphere and you change everything.

    How fossil fuel burning nearly wiped out life on Earth – 250m years ago

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/27/threat-islamic-state-fossil-fuel-burning

  14. GregT on Wed, 27th May 2015 11:54 am 

    “If peak oil means an oil glut with cheap gasoline, then bring it on!”

    A prime example of somebody who is looking at oil prices and availability in isolation.

    Not a clue.

  15. Plantagenet on Wed, 27th May 2015 12:14 pm 

    @GregT

    What don’t you understand now?

    Are you still pretending we aren’t in an oil glut?

    Are you denying that oil prices have fallen 40-50%?

    What part of reality don’t you understand this lovely morning?

    Cheers!

  16. Northwest Resident on Wed, 27th May 2015 12:18 pm 

    GregT — You don’t want to go toe-to-toe with pure idiocy fully backed by mega-obnoxious and revoltingly gross.

  17. Perk Earl on Wed, 27th May 2015 12:59 pm 

    I listened to it and thought it was great. Really crazy that Martenson got a question about abiotic oil, but thought he shut that ^#*! down real good. I’d like to see that museum he talks about in Midland, Texas on oil.

    The conversation is obviously dated because he’s saying oil is at $110. a barrel, but nonetheless Martenson talks about rising tension and the EU having difficulty, with the debt based system having trouble.

    The best part I thought was when he said that we have always been able to grow the economy as needed by using more liquid fuels, averaging about 3% more consumption per year, but we are quickly reaching a point in which that is no longer be possible.

    He also mentions US will sell about 14 million cars this year but China will increase the number of vehicles there by 18 million!

    I know some fault Martenson for making money on this, but we all know the bills don’t stop coming so he’s got to do something if he’s going to be dedicated to the topic. I think it’s fine–make some money and keep going. He understands the situation and is out there talking about it. That’s great.

  18. shortonoil on Wed, 27th May 2015 1:01 pm 

    The world has already consumed 84% of the liquid hydrocarbons that are worth taking out of the ground!

    What else is there to say?

  19. Apneaman on Wed, 27th May 2015 1:12 pm 

    Perk Earl, I have poked fun at Martenson for making money too, but he probably made a lot more as a corporate CEO with a science degree.

  20. Northwest Resident on Wed, 27th May 2015 1:44 pm 

    Using Logic, Facts, & Basic Math? – Then You Are A “Doomer”

    Oh, the horror!

    zerohedge dot com/news/2015-05-27/using-logic-facts-basic-math-you-are-doomer

  21. Plantagenet on Wed, 27th May 2015 1:52 pm 

    There’s nothing wrong with being a doomer. Its the irrational claims that we aren’t in an oil glut and oil prices haven’t dropped by 40-50% that are silly.

  22. Davy on Wed, 27th May 2015 2:18 pm 

    Planter what is silly is folks like you who look at the current excess supply in 20th century economic terms instead of the new normal of the 21st century with stagnating economic growth combined with depleting oil value. This is not your granddaddy’s excess supply. This is a new normal of demand growth destruction and oil supply value deterioration. Get with the program planter. Join the 21st century and be brave because it is a brave new world of ugly, pain, and suffering.

  23. dave thompson on Wed, 27th May 2015 2:34 pm 

    What some fail to understand is that the there is no net energy “glut”, even with a physical crude oil “glut” of today.

  24. BC on Wed, 27th May 2015 3:01 pm 

    https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?g=1cAy

    https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/fredgraph.png?g=1cAv

    Plant, gasoline is “cheap” for a reason: the bottom 90%+ working-class masses can’t afford to increase their consumption of it with real wages to gasoline prices, private employment per capita, and wages to GDP (record low going back to the Great Depression and the 1890s) having fallen steadily for 15-20 to 25+ years.

    In fact, the CPI- and US$-adjusted price of gasoline is at, or below, the levels of the past two recessions, not coincidentally.

    Now, if you’re comfortably within the top 1-10% who are unaffected by the price of energy and fuel in the many ways it manifests, i.e., profits, wages, employment, purchasing power, etc., then that is another story and it might explain your perspective.

    Fair enough, but the “glut” of oil is occurring with no growth or decline per capita of demand OUTSIDE THE ENERGY AND ENERGY-RELATED TRANSPORT SECTORS, i.e., the increasing energy cost of energy extraction.

    But you know this, surely.

  25. Northwest Resident on Wed, 27th May 2015 3:23 pm 

    I don’t know of anyone on this forum or else where that is making irrational claims that we aren’t in an oil glut or that oil prices haven’t dropped by 40-50%.

    I do know of someone who uses every opportunity contrived or elsewise to mention that we are in an “oil glut”, and who obviously wants people to believe that it is the “oil glut” that is directly responsible for the drop in oil prices, when in fact the “oil glut” is almost certainly NOT the reason for the dramatic oil price drop, at least, not the primary cause.

    But we’ve had this discussion a hundred times in the last several months, and yet that individual persists in parroting “oil glut, oil glut, polly wanna cracker, squawk, squawk, oil glut”.

    Absurd individuals saying absurd things. Just another day on planet Earth and on peakoil dot com!

  26. Speculawyer on Wed, 27th May 2015 3:30 pm 

    Martenson is probably suffering from a lot of groupthink now. When you surround yourself with doomerspeak 24/7, you are gonna lose touch with reality.

  27. GregT on Wed, 27th May 2015 3:35 pm 

    Planter is stuck in a bizarre, self reinforcing feedback loop of madness, and refuses to believe that anything existed prior to a few months ago. Planter is not alone. Human beings in general have extremely short and selective memories. Psychologists believe this to be a sort of coping mechanism, along side of denial.

    Planter needs professional help. Unfortunately, that help is not available here. I have heard that electric shock therapy can occasionally jolt people back to their senses. Whether or not this would be successful in planter’s case, is highly unlikely.

  28. Perk Earl on Wed, 27th May 2015 3:35 pm 

    “…he probably made a lot more as a corporate CEO with a science degree.”

    I’m sure that’s true, Ap.

  29. steve on Wed, 27th May 2015 3:58 pm 

    REally? I we still debating Peak oil here??!!! It is here now! It has not worked it way all through the system yet but it is coming…I think it is more interesting to debate the consequences and the degrees of collapse..!!

  30. Northwest Resident on Wed, 27th May 2015 4:29 pm 

    GregT — Frontal lobotomy might do the trick.

  31. Davy on Wed, 27th May 2015 4:29 pm 

    Spec, tell me sir the difference between being adjusted to an insane system or suffering group think from dooming? You are of course on the wrong side of reality. Your cornucopian reality is denial of the death of a way of life that is all you have ever known. At least doomers are brave enough to question insanity adjustment. If we suffer group think that is a small price to pay to face reality honestly.

  32. Perk Earl on Wed, 27th May 2015 5:55 pm 

    “I think it is more interesting to debate the consequences and the degrees of collapse..!!”

    Really good point, Steve. Maybe there should be a link on this site for those that want to discuss whether there is peak oil or not.

    And those that want to get on with discussing as Steve says, “…the consequences and degrees of collapse”, can remain on this site.

    Let’s separate the one’s without a full understanding of the topic from those that get it.

  33. Rodster on Wed, 27th May 2015 6:53 pm 

    “I think it is more interesting to debate the consequences and the degrees of collapse..!!”

    At the rate we’re going, i’d give it 100 years before humans wipe themselves off the earth.

  34. Rodster on Wed, 27th May 2015 6:59 pm 

    Just a small sample of mans cruelty:

    http://rt.com/news/262413-japan-dolphins-slaughter-continue/

    Japanese fishermen vow ‘to never stop’ dolphin hunting

    “”We used to harpoon dolphins but that’s several decades ago. Now we sever the spinal cord in a moment and there is not much blood,” said Kai.

  35. Perk Earl on Wed, 27th May 2015 7:28 pm 

    The Japanese are apparently a cruel people. What they did to the Chinese and to allied prisoners in WWII, along with whaling (in spite of a supposed moratorium) and killing dolphins are just a few examples.

  36. Apneaman on Wed, 27th May 2015 8:17 pm 

    India Heat Wave Death Toll May Be Vastly Underestimated

    ” A heat wave scorching India this week has already killed at least 1,000 people, according to Indian authorities, but that number may be a huge underestimate, one researcher says.

    It’s possible that thousands more have died as a result of the blistering conditions but that their deaths might not have been attributed to the heat wave, said Dr. Gulrez Shah Azhar, a community health researcher and policy analyst at Rand Corp. in Santa Monica, California.”

    http://www.livescience.com/50981-india-heat-stroke-an-undercount.html

  37. Apneaman on Wed, 27th May 2015 8:23 pm 

    Texas & Alaska Floods: El Nino & Hot Oceans Start a Year of Hellish Weather. It Will Get Worse.

    “Global CO2 levels have rapidly risen above 400ppm causing a large imbalance between incoming and outgoing radiation levels. Almost all of the difference between incoming and outgoing amounts of energy has gone into heating the oceans.”

    “The super El Nino is moving the global center of tropical convection towards the Americas. More moisture than normal is available to storms in the U.S. now, because of the excess vapor rising of the overheated waters. Strong trade winds in the tropical Atlantic have blown Atlantic moisture towards Texas where it converged with winds and moisture from the Pacific.”

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/27/1387968/-Texas-Alaska-Floods-El-Nino-Hot-Oceans-Start-a-Year-of-Hellish-Weather-It-Will-Get-Worse

  38. GregT on Wed, 27th May 2015 8:34 pm 

    Perk,

    Human beings are apparently ‘a cruel people’. Especially the ones that are driven by greed, power, and control. AKA, those whom society as a whole generally glorify.

    There. Fixed it for you. 🙂

  39. Repent on Wed, 27th May 2015 8:50 pm 

    Wish I could skip forward to after the collapse, to the rebuilding with what you’ve got phase. Sadly that’s not possible.

  40. GregT on Wed, 27th May 2015 8:55 pm 

    Repent,

    You can. Collapse now, and avoid the rush.

  41. Rodster on Wed, 27th May 2015 9:41 pm 

    “Global CO2 levels have rapidly risen above 400ppm”

    Was it last year when we broke the 350PPM mark? If so going from to 350 to 400 is troubling.

  42. Davy on Wed, 27th May 2015 9:55 pm 

    Repent, like Greg says make changes. Both Greg and I left a world for a new one. It was a scary move on my part 12 years ago. It is a process that must be started. I will make the analogy of a garden. You can stress out over garden planning but what is important is get seeds in the ground. No seeds no garden. Just plant something. A garden will take care of itself but you have to start it. Make that first effort and put a seed in the ground.

  43. GregT on Wed, 27th May 2015 11:16 pm 

    Davy,

    I haven’t entirely left yet. Four weeks to go. It has been a difficult decision, but one that the community that we are moving to is fully in support of. Everyone says the same thing. They would never go back. I am completely aware of what is at stake here. I am trading selfishness for sustainability. I am trading greed for the future of my family, my friends, and my community.

  44. Perk Earl on Thu, 28th May 2015 12:45 am 

    http://www.climatecentral.org/news/co2-emissions-stabilized-in-2014-18777

    Energy Bombshell: CO2 Emissions Stabilized in 2014

    “The International Energy Agency announced Friday that energy-related CO2 emissions last year were unchanged from the year before, totaling 32.3 billion metric tons of CO2 in both 2013 and 2014. It shows that efforts to reduce emissions to combat climate change may be more effective than previously thought.”

    That’s the presumption but what if it’s just less economic activity associated with less net energy?

    “Following an announcement earlier this week that China’s CO2 emissions fell 2 percent in 2014, the IEA is crediting 2014’s progress to China using more solar, wind and hydropower while burning less coal.”

    As we all know China’s economy is no longer operating at the double digit growth rate it was just a few years ago, but we are suppose to jump to the conclusion that a 2% emissions reduction is directly correlated to increases in renewables? I don’t think so. Maybe some but certainly not all.

    “Global CO2 emissions stalled or fell in the early 1980s, 1992 and 2009, each time correlating with a faltering global economy. In 2014, the economy grew 3 percent worldwide.”

    What they aren’t accounting for there is QE in the EU, Zirp in the US and economic stimulus efforts in China. Take away all the funny money and I bet the 3% growth disappears and then some.

  45. Perk Earl on Thu, 28th May 2015 12:53 am 

    “Human beings are apparently ‘a cruel people’.”

    Yes, there is a lot of cruelty by humankind, GregT, but I specifically posted regarding the Japanese because of their historically cruel ways (see history of WWII), in particular as a response to the article about the smug manner in which they now simply cut the spinal cords of dolphins. That is cruel and if other countries had any guts instead of just plain greed, they would confront Japan over it’s whaling and killing of dolphins. But they don’t because we have to embrace every culture’s attitudes no matter how disgraceful or demented in the name of being political.

  46. GregT on Thu, 28th May 2015 1:09 am 

    Perk,

    Not that i’m attempting to point fingers, but who was it that dropped two nuclear warheads on civilian populations in 1945? Kind of makes cutting spinal cords off of some dolphins pale in comparison, don’t you think?

    Sorry, I probably love and respect nature as much as you do, but people need to eat. Mass murder is an entirely different thing. There isn’t a huge market on human meat. Especially not irradiated human meat. YMMD.

  47. GregT on Thu, 28th May 2015 1:41 am 

    CO2 Emissions Stabilized in 2014???? WTF?

    “The International Energy Agency announced Friday that energy-related CO2 emissions last year were unchanged from the year before, totaling 32.3 billion metric tons of CO2 in both 2013 and 2014. It shows that efforts to reduce emissions to combat climate change may be more effective than previously thought.”

    Considering the fact that CO2 is accumulative in the environment, and that it is believed to be a detrimental factor for some 1000 years, continuing to add more CO2 into the environment is a very bad thing. The IEA is completely out of line. These people should be tried for crimes against humanity.

  48. Apneaman on Thu, 28th May 2015 1:41 am 

    Greg, Dresden was way over the top as well. Sure gave the Commies something to think about though.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II#/media/File:Fotothek_df_ps_0000010_Blick_vom_Rathausturm.jpg

  49. GregT on Thu, 28th May 2015 2:06 am 

    Apnea,

    Murder is wrong. Mass murder is even worse. Most People, from all cultures of life, only want to live their short ‘meaningless’ lives in peace. It is the psychopaths that are hell bent on control over others that are the problem. Those people that most consider to be their ‘leaders’. Those are the ones that need to be eradicated.

  50. Rodster on Thu, 28th May 2015 6:07 am 

    “Considering the fact that CO2 is accumulative in the environment, and that it is believed to be a detrimental factor for some 1000 years, continuing to add more CO2 into the environment is a very bad thing. The IEA is completely out of line. These people should be tried for crimes against humanity.”

    That’s what i’ve read that CO2 is accumulative so you wouldn’t see a drop in CO2 PPM even if there was a dip in economic activity.

    I wouldn’t trust what any Govt agency as it’s mostly based on propaganda and lies. We’ve seen what they’ve done with the unemployment rate and GDP over the last 7 years.

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