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BabyPeanut
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 3:21 am |
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Joined: Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:00 am Posts: 3504 Location: 39° 39' N 77° 77' W or thereabouts
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pstarr wrote: Outfoxed was great. How do the other two compare? couldn't find the Falls Church paper at cjr.com. Orwell Rolls In His Grave was very slick. I went and saw it at the American Film Institute's Sliver Theater. It deals with the effects of Reagan and Bush 1 & 2 deregulating the media (removing the laws that kept it from being a complete propoganda machine.) You can't find small, independent media stations/papers on "Who Owns What" because they aren't owned by huge corporations (unless they are fakes.)
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Eli
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Post subject: Fuel Shortages/Rationing News and Discussion Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:14 am |
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Joined: Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:00 am Posts: 4005 Location: In a van down by the river
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I wonder who he has been talking to? shortage coming?
The reason he listed is funny, those damn oil companys are not making enough product.
Don't panic and no hoarding!
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BabyPeanut
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Post subject: Re: Jeb Bush warns of actual gas shortages in Florida Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:45 am |
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Joined: Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:00 am Posts: 3504 Location: 39° 39' N 77° 77' W or thereabouts
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Quote: Bush blames oil companies for keeping lower inventories than they have in the past and that makes shortages more likely.
Lame, there were so many refinery fires.
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KevO
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Post subject: Gov. Bush Urges Floridians To Conserve Gasoline Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:43 pm |
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rogerhb
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Post subject: Re: Gov. Bush Urges Floridians To Conserve Gasoline Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 5:59 pm |
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Cheney wrote: Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue, but it is not a sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy.
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DoctorDoom
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Post subject: Gas Rationing Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:03 pm |
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Joined: Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:00 am Posts: 250 Location: California
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I thought these links re. gas rationing during WW2 might be interesting: link and link
Could you get by on 4 gallons per week?
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k_semler
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Post subject: Re: Gas Rationing Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:35 pm |
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Sure, as long as they increase my pay by a factor of 3, or Pullman City Councel wouldn't mind me pitching a tent in Reiny Park.
_________________ Here Lies the United States Of America.
July 04, 1776 - June 23 2005
Epitaph: "The Experiment Is Over."
Rest In Peace.
Eminent Domain Was The Murderer.
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pilferage
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Post subject: Re: Gas Rationing Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:48 pm |
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Joined: Sun Nov 21, 2004 1:00 am Posts: 576 Location: ~170ft/lbs@0rpm (on my bike)
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Four gallons should give me a ~180-200 mile range, so I'm going to say yes assuming the economy is o.k... which it won't be because not everyone else has 3 bicycles and a ~$430 car that gets ~50mpg.
So, no.
_________________ "Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something in return. To obtain, something of equal value must be lost. "
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Specop_007
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Post subject: Re: Jeb Bush warns of actual gas shortages in Florida Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:12 pm |
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Specop thinks this could, in the long run, be a fantastic scenario.
What we really need is a shortage of gasoline to "shock and awe" the people of this country off their fatasses, but we need the shortage to be limited in timeframe.
Specop thinks if suddenly everyone was waiting in gas lines for the next week or three, it might really bring awareness to the bigger issue and maybe, hopefully, people would start to realize what the hell is really going on. From that point, we can work on more permanent solutions to the bigger problem at hand. Loves a good Shock and Awe event, Specop_007
_________________ "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the
Abyss, the Abyss gazes also into you."
Ammo at a gunfight is like bubblegum in grade school: If you havent brought enough for everyone, you're in trouble
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DantesPeak
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Post subject: Re: Jeb Bush warns of actual gas shortages in Florida Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:21 pm |
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Florida will be an important test of how the GWB admistration intends to deal gasoline shortages - who is to blame, what should be done, should government implement price/allcoation controls, will the government issue gas rationing cards, etc..
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Tanada
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Post subject: Re: Gas Rationing Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:22 pm |
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DoctorDoom wrote: I thought these links re. gas rationing during WW2 might be interesting: link and linkCould you get by on 4 gallons per week?
Sure I could, I consume about half a gallon per day commuting round trip, assuming I brown bag it and don't go anywhere on my lunch hour.
_________________ Always appeal to a man's enlightened self interest, you can trust him to look out for himself honestly, It's when you appeal to his Honor or the Common Good that he stops paying attention.
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SolarDave
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Post subject: Re: Gas Rationing Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:33 pm |
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I would bet there was a HUGE "black market" for gasoline back then. All you have to do is pick up your ration, keep what you need, sell the rest.
People will be selling gallon "cans" to Hummers at stop signs just like they sell papers and wash windows now.
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gego
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Post subject: Re: Gas Rationing Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:50 pm |
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Gas rationing by coupon is socialism; equal division of output based on non market mechanisms. This produces stagnation, overconsumption, lack of innovation, and much human suffering.
Rationing based on ability to pay is freedom; unequal division rewarding the most capable. This produces innovation, saving, and human advance within the constraints of nature.
You socialist shoud own up to your need to be taken care of, you feelings of inadequacy, and your negative effect on society in general.
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Free
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Post subject: Re: Jeb Bush warns of actual gas shortages in Florida Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:50 pm |
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Mark my words: It will be business as usual very soon, and afterwards everybody will shrug it off and be happy to forget the shortage as soon as possible.
And it will be seen as a confirmation of the view that "they will save us."
So in my opinion it will be very counterproductive for PO preparation, because it was just another temporary crisis like in the 70ies which went away again, and surely every crisis in the future will be like that. An oil shock, a spike blah blah blah.
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The_Toecutter
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Post subject: Re: Jeb Bush warns of actual gas shortages in Florida Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:04 pm |
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Quote: Bush blames oil companies for keeping lower inventories than they have in the past and that makes shortages more likely.
What a hypocrite, considering his family owns shares in them and is raking in money from them as we speak. Looks like he's part of the problem. The oil companies are partially at fault for stifling adoption of alternatives through their political wrangling. Now they are raking in the money since we are so reliant on oil that demand destruction won't occur.
It's time to make GM bring out the electric cars they're so against, don't you think? It would take a decade to shift our car fleet over, why not start now when nearly 45% of the oil America consumes is consumed just to fuel its cars, and nothing else? http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic8972.html]link
_________________ The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the old growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder. ~Thomas Jefferson
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