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Outfoxed was great. How do the other two compare? couldn't find the Falls Church paper at cjr.com.
Orwell Rolls In His Grave was very slick. I went and saw it at the American Film Institute's Sliver Theater. It deals with the effects of Reagan and Bush 1 & 2 deregulating the media (removing the laws that kept it from being a complete propoganda machine.) You can't find small, independent media stations/papers on "Who Owns What" because they aren't owned by huge corporations (unless they are fakes.)


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 Post subject: Fuel Shortages/Rationing News and Discussion
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I wonder who he has been talking to? shortage coming?
The reason he listed is funny, those damn oil companys are not making enough product.
Don't panic and no hoarding!


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 Post subject: Re: Jeb Bush warns of actual gas shortages in Florida
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Bush blames oil companies for keeping lower inventories than they have in the past and that makes shortages more likely.

Lame, there were so many refinery fires.


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 Post subject: Gov. Bush Urges Floridians To Conserve Gasoline
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so the SHTF: link

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 Post subject: Re: Gov. Bush Urges Floridians To Conserve Gasoline
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Conservation may be a sign of personal virtue, but it is not a sufficient basis for a sound, comprehensive energy policy.


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 Post subject: Gas Rationing
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I thought these links re. gas rationing during WW2 might be interesting: link and link
Could you get by on 4 gallons per week?


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 Post subject: Re: Gas Rationing
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Sure, as long as they increase my pay by a factor of 3, or Pullman City Councel wouldn't mind me pitching a tent in Reiny Park.

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 Post subject: Re: Gas Rationing
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Four gallons should give me a ~180-200 mile range, so I'm going to say yes assuming the economy is o.k... which it won't be because not everyone else has 3 bicycles and a ~$430 car that gets ~50mpg.
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 Post subject: Re: Jeb Bush warns of actual gas shortages in Florida
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Specop thinks this could, in the long run, be a fantastic scenario.
What we really need is a shortage of gasoline to "shock and awe" the people of this country off their fatasses, but we need the shortage to be limited in timeframe.
Specop thinks if suddenly everyone was waiting in gas lines for the next week or three, it might really bring awareness to the bigger issue and maybe, hopefully, people would start to realize what the hell is really going on. From that point, we can work on more permanent solutions to the bigger problem at hand. Loves a good Shock and Awe event, Specop_007

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 Post subject: Re: Jeb Bush warns of actual gas shortages in Florida
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Florida will be an important test of how the GWB admistration intends to deal gasoline shortages - who is to blame, what should be done, should government implement price/allcoation controls, will the government issue gas rationing cards, etc..


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 Post subject: Re: Gas Rationing
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DoctorDoom wrote:
I thought these links re. gas rationing during WW2 might be interesting: link and link
Could you get by on 4 gallons per week?

Sure I could, I consume about half a gallon per day commuting round trip, assuming I brown bag it and don't go anywhere on my lunch hour.

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 Post subject: Re: Gas Rationing
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I would bet there was a HUGE "black market" for gasoline back then. All you have to do is pick up your ration, keep what you need, sell the rest.
People will be selling gallon "cans" to Hummers at stop signs just like they sell papers and wash windows now.


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 Post subject: Re: Gas Rationing
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Gas rationing by coupon is socialism; equal division of output based on non market mechanisms. This produces stagnation, overconsumption, lack of innovation, and much human suffering.
Rationing based on ability to pay is freedom; unequal division rewarding the most capable. This produces innovation, saving, and human advance within the constraints of nature.
You socialist shoud own up to your need to be taken care of, you feelings of inadequacy, and your negative effect on society in general.


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 Post subject: Re: Jeb Bush warns of actual gas shortages in Florida
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Mark my words: It will be business as usual very soon, and afterwards everybody will shrug it off and be happy to forget the shortage as soon as possible.
And it will be seen as a confirmation of the view that "they will save us."
So in my opinion it will be very counterproductive for PO preparation, because it was just another temporary crisis like in the 70ies which went away again, and surely every crisis in the future will be like that. An oil shock, a spike blah blah blah.


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 Post subject: Re: Jeb Bush warns of actual gas shortages in Florida
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Bush blames oil companies for keeping lower inventories than they have in the past and that makes shortages more likely.

What a hypocrite, considering his family owns shares in them and is raking in money from them as we speak. Looks like he's part of the problem. The oil companies are partially at fault for stifling adoption of alternatives through their political wrangling. Now they are raking in the money since we are so reliant on oil that demand destruction won't occur.
It's time to make GM bring out the electric cars they're so against, don't you think? It would take a decade to shift our car fleet over, why not start now when nearly 45% of the oil America consumes is consumed just to fuel its cars, and nothing else? http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic8972.html]link

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