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Approaching A Global Deflationary Crisis?

Anyone with any sense for global economic trends ought to be worried. The signs are everywhere of a serious deflationary crisis. It is obvious that Chinese growth is falling. The prices for energy and the raw materials that feed the growth economy keep falling. The demand for Chinese exports is down too. Stock Markets in Asia are falling, despite attempts to prop them up. Countries are being tempted to export their problems abroad – for example by competitive devaluation. In Europe its obvious that a “solution” is being cobbled together for the Euro and Greek crisis even though no one at all believes that it will work. At the same time the policy response of “quantitative easing” which has kept interest rates down very low has reached the end of the road. With interest rates at or near to zero the scope for addressing the crisis through monetary policy (low interest rates) is exhausted. Many pundits believe that low interest rates have not encouraged productive investment but speculative bubbles – the creation of capacity in fields that in the long run will not pay, or fuelled a casino style speculation, a giant bubble of bets that could soon collapse, bringing the global economy down with it.

So what is going on? How do we explain the situation? In this paper I am going to argue that there are a number of ways of understanding and addressing what is developing into a global crisis. The desire to make the crisis understandable can convert into a temptation to make it seem simpler than it is. At its most banal we have the explanations that neo liberal German politicians are prone to – like the idea that the crisis is because of a lack of confidence and trust and that this can be resolved (in Europe) purely and simply by countries following the Eurozone rules. If the confidence and trust are restored then all will be well and the market will restore prosperity.

A more adequate story is needed than this – and it is one that needs to focus on global trends not just in Europe but in the USA, the so-called developing world and above all in China. This story has a number of different plots and sub plots, not one. We need to understand how the sub plots interweave. The story is one of debt, competitive imbalances and an energy crisis and all need to be told. To make the story even more complicated we need to keep in mind too that an even more important story, that of climate change, has to be held in our minds too. If and when humanity has any chance of resolving these crises it will have to resolve that one at the same time. Will this be possible? I don’t know – what I do know is that there is a theory, by archeologist Joseph Tainter, that humanities’ problem solving capacities are limited by complexity. A friend is currently trying to get me to use twitter. However I am daunted by reducing complex situations to short simple messages. Understanding the global economy is like entering a labyrinth. As I get older I notice that some people become famous because of the clarity in the way that they write. What may not be noticed is that the apparent clarity in a political economic message is often the result of simplification. The popularity of neo-liberal economcs is like that.
So lets look at the ways of describing the crisis. In summary this can be described as the interrelationship between 4 processes.

(1) Structural policy stupidity – policy governance cannot cope with the complexity of the crisis. Politicians cannot cope with communicating complex messages to their peoples nor find the mechanisms to cope with the complexity of the issues.

 

(2) Problems are also caused by uneven development between countries and sectors which cannot be sustained without methods for recycling purchasing power from the more competitive countries to the less competitive ones. These imbalances become most problematic when capital export from surplus to deficit countries slows which happens when growth slows in the deficit countries.

 

(3) The crisis is both cause and effect of a rising amount of debt – personal, corporate, state and financial sector – which has acted as a drag on growth. As growth falls all kinds of debt become more difficult to service so the monetary authorities have tried to push interest rates down. Nevertheless the finance sector has tended to become both more speculative and more predatory as there is a “hunt for yield”. Interest rates rise when risk premiums are imposed on distressed borrowers (including states), money making occurs through financing arrangements based on “passing the risk parcel” exploiting the naivety of lenders about complex financial arrangements and by the promotion of asset price bubbles. The bigger players are rescued during crises but the smaller players (including tax payers and those who lose their state benefits) are made to pay.

 

(4) The crisis is the result of reaching “the limits of economic growth” and, in particular, because of resource depletion in the energy sector. This is less obvious because of currently low and falling energy and commodity prices but we need to study the experience of the energy sector over last few years, not just the immediate situation. The immediate fall in commodity and energy prices is a result of the onset of the crisis – a crisis which very high and rising energy prices up until recently helped bring on. The high energy prices have been compatible with a high level of debt only because interest rates have been so low and because there has been a “hunt for yield”, something that would pay more than leaving money on deposit paying very little.

Depletion of resources in the energy and mining sector means that it is taking more energy than before to extract energy (and other mined resources) and this has pushed up the costs of extraction of energy and other minerals. High energy costs act as a drag on the growth of the economy as a whole – because energy costs, like interest rates, enter into the production of virtually everything else. This is particularly acute problem in the energy sector itself as the energy sector is such a huge user of energy. The energy companies need a high price for energy otherwise they cannot actually make a profit. However, if energy prices are high for too long the economy wilts.

The development of unconventional oil and gas has been possible because quantitative easing has made a large amount of money to Wall Street at a low interest rate and they have been “searching for yield” – looking for somewhere to put this money to earn a high rate of interest. This funded the voracious capital expenditure needs of the industry with its high drilling intensity. However it pre-supposed that prices would remain high enough for long enough to cover costs and this has not happened. The problem is set to get a lot worse as depletion speeds up.

So, to repeat, the best way to tell the story of this crisis needs to relate ALL of these elements together – policy failure, debt, imbalances, energy. Each element is causatively connected to the others but sometimes in a time lagged way which obscures the relationships. Together these elements are bringing about what some observers are calling “secular stagnation”.

“Stanley Fischer, vice-chairman of the US Federal Reserve, has laid out the predicament that forecasters face. Half way through each year, economists have had to explain why their global growth forecasts were too optimistic, he said, and this has happened “year after year”. While growth rates have been falling across the world, it’s not yet clear whether this is all a hangover from the 2008 crash or something more fundamental.”

In my view it is “something more fundamental”. It is related to reaching the limits to growth – and this has to do with fossil fuel and materials depletion and the end of cheap energy. However, this does not exclude a partial truth in the other narratives that economists are using to explain low growth.

In the reminder of this article I run through each of these themes in more depth.

Explanation number one: “structural policy stupidity”

First of all structural policy stupidity – all politics must be sold in one way or another to the governed. Even autocrats strive to govern with ideas as well as through simple fear. The rhetoric of politicians must to some degree match the way people think about things – that means one ingredient for successful politics is where politicians succeed in appealing to popular illusions embodied in “common sense”. One such popular illusion is that states have to arrange their finances using the same principles that ordinary households use to run their personal finances. Never mind that this is not true – the politicians who pursue policies and use a rhetoric that appeals to the “person in the street” viewpoint have a head start. As a number of economists have noted these politicians work with an ultra simple (and wrong) model of economic reality – that if governments follow rules and don’t borrow excessively this will inspire confidence and trust and economies will grow, spurred on by competition. It does not matter that this idea may actually be self defeating when an economy is slipping into recession – the important point is that collective illusions persist when they fulfil a collective purpose for those that hold them. In this case a key collective purpose of “the balanced budget illusion” is that it makes communicating with electorates so much easier. It enables a message of “we cannot afford” and “being cruel to be kind” to be directed against vulnerable groups who can be more easily scapegoated.

Complex messages are not popular and don’t sell well even if they more accurately reflect reality. Please note here that I am saying something more than politicians are mistaken – my argument is that ideas like the balanced budget illusion is more than “a mistake”. It is an illusion that has a structural function in the political process. It is not an accident that this particular theme repeats itself in history again and again. There is no reason to believe that once an idea has been rejected by one generation after a bitter learning experience, that a subsequent generation that have not been through the same learning experience will not have to learn it the hard way all over again.

One of the sayings of the management theorist Stafford Beer was that “the purpose of a system is what it does”. I really like this because it cuts through all the rhetorical justifications and excuses. If a system like the Eurozone is ruining its less competitive members in favour of the more competitive ones then this is the purpose of the system. Were it not the purpose of the system most powerful players in it would change it.

In this regard the very structure of the Eurozone has proved ideal for putting the banking and financial elite of Europe out of reach of democratic political processes. The currency is managed at a level out of the reach of any one state with the finances of each state disciplined by a set of rules that enforces close to a balanced budget. Given the inevitable crises each government that becomes vulnerable then has to cede more and more economic policy to financial interests who are free to impose neo-liberal policies like privatisation quasi automatically. The “coup” against Greece was a design feature of the Euro and delivers the primacy of finance over any pretence of democratic politics.

Given the complexity of eurozone governance, in which every state is supposed to have a say and decisions must be passed back to all of these governments, it seems as if governance requires a set of rules that governments adhere to, otherwise there would be endless re-negotiations for each new situation, and for each state, that would go on forever. In an interview in the New Statesman Yanis Varoufakis explained this when he described the viewpoint of Wolfgang Schaueble.

“Schäuble was consistent throughout. His view was ‘I’m not discussing the programme – this was accepted by the previous government and we can’t possibly allow an election to change anything. Because we have elections all the time, there are 19 of us, if every time there was an election and something changed, the contracts between us wouldn’t mean anything.’”

If you think about it this is not only a recipe for the negation of democracy it is the negation of any kind of economic policy discussion or policy variability. A common currency zone cannot work in these circumstances because it is paralysed by its complexity into ever being unable to adapt its economic policy. The default is then to a neo-liberal assumption of a balanced budget (or budget surplus, free market rules and privatisation). All it can do is to follow a set of pre-determined rules. In this case the policy that destroys economies like that of Greece appears as the price paid to avoid endless renegotiations.
The problem for the Eurozone and the global economy is that this is leading to a massive deflation….or maybe from an elite viewpoint this is not so negative. Maybe this is not “policy stupidity” but a cunning plan???

In a massive crisis in which only the super elite are rescued and everyone else ruined there would be a further massive concentration of wealth and power. Perhaps members of the super elite – the 1% of the 1% – think in this way. Or maybe I am paranoid.

Explanation number two – too much debt

Global stock of debt outstanding

Some economists think that that somehow debt doesn’t matter since, supposedly, debt transfers purchasing power from debtors to creditors who will spent it instead so debt is not supposed to affect “aggregate demand”. Alas this misunderstands the mechanisms of bank credit creation. In order for money creation and demand expansion to occur in the current system there is a requirement that more bank credit creation – i.e. more borrowing from banks – takes place. If individuals and companies are maxed out (“peak debt”) and if they are reluctant to take on more debt then aggregate demand cannot be increased. In fact, even if the central bank pumps out more money through “quantitative easing” this will do little or nothing to increase demand. The central bank will create money to buy bonds from banks but the money created and paid over will remain unused by the banks and the velocity of circulation will fall. The single demand expansion influence is that interest rates are lower and this is supposed to encourage investment – something that does not happen if the conditions for expansion do not otherwise exist. What happens instead is that money goes into speculation.

Meanwhile if companies and individuals are maxed out they will be making an effort to pay back their debts to the banks. When this happens money is destroyed and goes out of circulation. More particularly chain reactions from defaults and collapsing confidence destroys the trust and confidence on which the financial system works and leads to massive deflation. Now this situation of collapsing purchasing power in the private economy could in theory be balanced out by government spending leading to the governments running deficits – but that’s against the eurozone rules.

Explanation number three – global imbalances/failing mechanisms to recycle purchasing power

Another explanation for current stagnation is the breakdown of mechanisms for dealing with international trade and financial imbalances. In his book The Global Minotaur Yanis Varoufakis, describes the history of the post war economy by focusing on the story of how trade and financial imbalances were managed – particularly the imbalances between the USA and the rest of the world, but also imbalances in the Eurozone. As he explains, unless there is a mechanism for recycling surpluses from countries in trade surplus back to countries in trade deficit then purchasing power drains away from the deficit countries who are put in a deflationary squeeze as is happening to Greece currently. In the initial period after world war two the USA was dominant in the global economy and was in trade surplus to the rest of the world. It used the financial flows into America that were generated by its surplus of exports over imports by investing back into the rebuilding of countries like Germany and Japan and more generally into the American design for the postwar economy as bulwark against communism. The recycling of surpluses back into deficit countries kept the boom going. But you won’t catch Germany recycling its surpluses back into Greece now.

The answer to an export surplus in one country which occurs over and against import surpluses in other countries is for the countries with the export surplus to use the money that they earn in capital export back to the deficit countries. They invest in those countries. However, that implies that there is something in the deficit countries that is an attractive focus for investment. It implies that those countries are growing – which brings the argument round full circle. For decades the USA was the largest economy in the world and a growing economy. This meant that when the US first went into what was to be a long running trade deficit it was still worth Germans, Japanese or Chinese parking their dollar earnings as deposits into Wall Street banks or using them to lend to the US government. The dollars earned by Germany, Japan and later by China could be invested in the US economy or they could be used to buy oil. This was also because, by agreement with countries like Saudi Arabia, oil had to be purchased in dollars. This arrangement partly broke down however when Wall Street crashed in 2007 – in large part because it was operating a criminal business model. Loans were made to people who it was known would never be able to pay them back and packaged up with other assets and then sold on across the world to pension funds and other financial institutions who picked up the risk parcel, misled by ratings agencies. The ratings agencies were paid to say that the “toxic trash” was AAA grade.

Turning the finance explanation upside down

So, to come back to the story – yes the current problems are due to too much debt. Yes, mechanisms for recycling global financial flows arising out of trade imbalances no longer work so well after Wall Street and other banksters in London and Frankfurt are seen to be run by crooks….but one can argue that these two phenomena are also the result of the failure to grow, as much as the cause. You can turn at least a part of the argument on its head.

What I mean by that is that a rising amount of debt in general and troubled debt in particular is not just a cause of faltering growth – the faltering growth is a cause of the increasing amount of troubled debt.

Debt is not usually seen to be a problem for companies and individuals where their income is rising and sufficiently secure for people to pay the interest. It is when people find that their real income is stagnating or falling that more debt becomes distressed debt and distressed debt becomes the lender business model. Prudential lending pays in a growing economy with growing investment opportunities – but the temptation to resort to predatory lending occurs when there is an awareness of, even a decision to exploit, the desperation of people in trouble. This becomes part of the model. What happens when a country, or a company, or an individual, cannot pay? The answer is that the interest rate that they are supposed to pay for any new credit rises dramatically because they are now supposed to pay the lender “a risk premium”. This is the last stage of a process of debt accumulation. When a debt pyramid comes crashing down it does so because, just before it crashes, debt servicing costs get dramatically worse as “risk premiums” are loaded onto borrowers.

This “risk premium” might lead one to suppose that lenders actually are tolerating a higher level of risk for which they must be compensated – however this is only partly true for the biggest players. When the biggest players are deemed “too big to fail” they get backed by politicians so the “risk” is taken off – that is, after all, what happened to the German and French banks that lent to Greece. The deal stitched up by the IMF and the ECB meant that they got bailed out and the debt loaded onto the Greek people. So while risk premiums allow banks to increase their take the real risks do not rise commensurately.

The temptation to borrow under increasingly unfavourable conditions is not like borrowing to invest or to buy an asset with the secure expectation of a rising income. As debt increases the business model for lenders becomes more and more making money with distressed debt, vulture funds, passing the risk parcel and toxic trash. It occurs because borrowing states, institutions and individuals resort to what becomes a kind of gambling considered as a last resort, as an attempt at a way out of a desperate situation. That’s one of the ideas of Prospect Theory. Normally people are risk averse, they don’t risk what little they still have if they have anything left – however they do gamble when all of their other options seem hopeless anyway. Underlying all of this is that the rising incomes are no longer there. By way of contrast the institutions lending are not taking real risks because they have friends in very high places.

Turning the imbalance argument around

One can turn the idea about imbalances the other way round too. In one way of looking at the situation it seems that growth falters because the mechanisms to handle imbalances by recycling surpluses break down. No doubt there is truth in this but you can turn that idea round – i.e. it is when growth falters that the mechanisms to handle imbalances by recycling surpluses dry up. As we have argued the way to recycle surpluses is through capital export – the purchasing power flows back to the deficit countries not as money to purchase their goods as imports into the surplus countries but rather as money to buy into the industries and economies of the deficit countries, as investment. But who is going to invest into a stagnant or contracting economy?

Look what happened to the German privatisation of East Germany. The institution that was entrusted to sell off East German industry, the Treuehand, made a big loss. How could that be? When the East German economy was merged with the West German economy it was at the rate of one East German mark for one West German mark. This was an early lesson of what would happen in the eurozone except that it all happened inside Germany itself. The East Germans could not compete after reunification, just like the Greeks cannot compete now. So most East German businesses were making huge losses. However, if you want to sell off companies then you have to sell them as going concerns. You have to keep them going before you sell them….which often meant making huge losses. What they got for the sale of these companies never covered these losses.

Wolfgang Schaueble knows this – he was involved. They will not make any money selling Greek assets either. When the Austrian Railways considered a takeover of the Greek railways they said they would only do this if the Greek railways were given away. Unless Greece is growing and prospering there will be very little capital export into Greece to actually buy privatised assets.

So, to summarise the argument so far: slowing growth can be explained by increasing debt reaching its limits and the breakdown of mechanisms to even imbalances by recycling purchasing power from surplus to deficit countries. On the other hand the fact that debt is reaching its limits and surplus recycling limits are breaking down can be explained by slowing growth. Both are true in both directions of causation and what we are seeing here is a “vicious cycle” in operation.

Explanation number four – the energy crisis

Now let’s add the fourth way of looking at the issues. Let us start by making a distinction between growth of production and growth of production capacity. Growth of production can occur if there is spare capacity in an economy in the form of unemployed resources which can be brought back into utilisation – but for growth to be long term there must be a growth of the capacity of an economy.

This depends upon expenditure in capital formation – the creation of buildings, equipment and infrastructure. Capital formation is an energy intensive business because infrastructure, buildings and equipment require energy in their production – plus they require an energy throughput for their utilisation. The point about energy is that it is required for every good or service purchased. Even a haircut requires electric light or warmth in the barbers shop and to run electric clippers. Anything that enters into the production of all goods and services is a cost of production that all share. So if the cost of energy rises so does the cost of producing everything.

The nearest comparable example of a cost that enters into the production of all goods and services is interest rates. Virtually all individuals and companies must borrow so the interest rate enters into the cost of all production and into many everyday living expenses too. You can argue therefore that the real reason that interest rates have been driven down so low by central bankers is that energy costs have been so high. It is has not been possible for the economy to sustain BOTH high interest rates AND the higher energy prices. This is the reason for the stagnation.

Most energy intensive of all is investment in the energy and mining sector. The amount of energy required to tap and process energy is rising as it becomes harder to find, extract, process and transport oil, gas and coal from smaller, deeper, more remote, and harder to tap geological sources.

Slowing growth of global productive capacity is the result of the global economy running up against ecological system limits. This is particularly apparent in the climate crisis and the costs that occur as a result of this but, more immediately too, in the economics of extracting fossil fuels. The long run trend is towards rising energy costs which acts as a drag upon the growth of the productive capacity of the global economic system. The most energy intensive sector of all is the energy sector itself. We can see that if we compare the amount of energy used per hour of human activity in the energy and mining sector compared to the amount of energy used per hour of human activity in other economic sectors. (This is the so called exosomatic metabolic rate). These figures are for Catalonia in 2005 because the academics who have studied this issue are mainly at the University of Barcelona but one can expect comparable figures in other places. The rates are 2,000 Megajoules per hour of human activity devoted to energy and mining. This compares to 2.8 Megajoules per hour outside of paid work in households, 75 Megajoules per hour in services and government, 331 Megajoules per hour in the building and manufacturing sector (not including energy and mining) and 175 MJ/h in agriculture. As a matter of fact 11% of the energy throughput of society was taken by the energy sector itself – even though only 0.0945% of the time of everyone in Catalonia was devoted to energy and mining.

With energy and mining being the most energy intensive sector one would expect the impact of rising energy costs to be felt initially and most powerfully in the energy and mining sector itself. This has indeed been the case. In a presentation by Steve Kopits of the Douglas Westwood Consultancy he shows this graph (CAGR = compound annual growth rate).

Impact of energy costs on mining

As can be seen the capital expenditure required per barrel of oil in the exploration and production sector has increased enormously. To extract oil is requiring greater and greater amounts of investment in exploration and production.

We can see very clearly what is happening if we look at the statistics for fracking for shale oil in the USA. The fact that the US oil and gas industry has had to resort to fracking is a sign that American oil and gas fields are highly depleted and near to exhaustion. As an analyst called Arthur Berman puts it, fracking is the “retirement party” of the oil and gas industry. It is not a new beginning. As a matter of fact the USA, Russia and Saudi Arabia almost produce an identical amount of oil but look at the difference in the way that they produce it:

USA = 11.7 MMBl/d, 35,669 wells, 297 million feet
Russia = 10.9 MMbls/d, 8688 wells, 83 million feet
Saudi Arabia = 11.4 MMBls/d, 399 wells, 3 million feet
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In order to extract a roughly equivalent amount of oil the US industry has to drill almost 100 times the footage in wells and drill 90 times the number of wells. It is obvious that that will require an enormous amount of energy to get out an equivalent amount of oil (and gas) and that the cost will be a lot higher. But is this investment actually profitable? The answer is that it is only profitable at higher and higher oil prices. Different oil and gas companies require different prices to break even but, according to Kopits most of the oil companies require an oil price of at least $100 for new investment in conventional oil production to be profitable. High prices are needed in the unconventional sector too and most of the fracking companies in the USA have not been making money for several years. In the last year the price has fallen even lower.

So how come that they are still around? How come they have not gone bust? There are several kinds of reply to this.

Firstly, in economics things happen if people take a view of the future in which they believe that they will be profitable – even if subsequent experience shows this not to be the case. No one can know the future exactly so every investment is to some degree a gamble. A whole economic sector can share the same gamble and invest on the assumption that they will make money even if this turns out not to the case – and indeed they can be encouraged to. An oil sector drilling 90 times the number of wells and 100 times the footage is going to be immensely profitable for the companies selling and/or hiring out the drilling rigs, pipelines, tankers and other equipment. As the saying goes – in a gold rush sell shovels. A coalition can form around illusions that are profitable to some powerful players who make a lot of money even while others lose. A vested interest coalition pursuing a delusion is called a Granfalloon. It is important to realise that it is in the interests of the Granfalloon to keep on hyping their message in order to keep the money flowing. (This does not mean that the members of a Granfalloon are intentionally misleading – it means that there is an element of confirmation bias in the way that they interpret and describe things. We all do this to some degree – it is very difficult not to select and interpret available information in a way that confirms ones existing preconceptions, one’s faiths).

Secondly, at this time with interest rates very low there have been very few places where businesses in the finance sector can make much money. There is a temptation to make money on a gamble and the oil and gas industry has been a place for Wall Street to make another gamble. This is especially the case as the collateral for the industry is in the ground. However, when the sub-prime mortgage boom went bust after 2007 banks were left with a lot of houses. Shifting them was not so easy – finding a use for the assets of insolvent fracking companies is likely to prove even more of a problem. How many banks have the expertise to run fracking companies?

Thirdly in economics things happen with a time lag. Even if companies are making a loss they do not immediately go bust. They and their creditors may take the view that the unfavourable conditions are temporary and more credit may be extended to bridge them over what are assumed to be temporary hard times. If oil and gas prices have fallen they may still be able to sell at a higher price because they have insured themselves by selling their oil and gas already on the futures market. To respond to soon would be to lay off workers, and break up teams that would be difficult to reassemble. The temptation is to hang on, assume that difficulties are temporary and to tell the world that there are no problems, that everything is just fine, that the latest technologies make it possible to produce at a profit at even lower prices. If one looks at the figure however this does not appear to be what is happening. That part of the oil and gas pursuing new development, and particularly in countries where depletion is already advanced, are caught in a dilemma that unconventional oil and gas is expensive oil and gas – and the market cannot be made to pay these high prices over a long enough period to make the development of their part of the industry profitable.

In conclusion

The story thus described is one in which the world economy could be heading into a massive economic meltdown. The authors of the famous Limits to Growth, writing in 1972, thought it likely that unless humanity could adjust to the limits that there would be an overshoot and collapse sometime in the future. The crisis of 2007-2008 gave a preliminary taste of what that kind of collapse might look like. The after shocks in the Eurozone and what has been happening in Greece likewise give us a picture of what the future might be like for all of us.

What this does not mean however is that there will be some general realisation, some mass epiphany or “Aha” moment when everyone realises in a blinding flash of insight that humanity has reached the limits of growth. There are also limits to the extent to which people change their basic faiths about the world. Such flashes of insight about their real situation do sometimes happen when people are thrown into troubled times and circumstances that challenge all that they believe. However, even then most people are reluctant to abandon their faiths as that could leave them even more disorientated and fearful – living in a world that suddenly appears a lot less secure, and facing a future that is a lot less rosy, than they previously believed.

Most mainstream economists and politicians will continue to believe that the task at hand is “get growth going again” and, in the vast tangle of connected events, will privilege those connections and processes for their mental attention that confirm their viewpoint on what is wrong, the other people who are responsible for what has gone wrong – and what must be done to remove these people. To drum up support for themselves elite politicians of this type will no doubt identify favourite scapegoats and enemies to demonise.

The worst futures would be where these kind of politicians get a mass following, sponsored financially by the elite, and lead emerging fascist movements.

The best of all futures would be where these kind of political leaders drift into irrelevance because a popular majority gravitate to those who have positive community level responses of sharing, mutual aid and re-localisation connected to ecological design – and link this to a new approach to politics that supports the transformation at the base of society. This would go together with a new politics of finance to replace the debt based money system and a new politics of energy that keeps the carbon in the ground. A politics of this type would not be about “getting growth going again”. It would be about creating economic arrangements that create security for communities while conserving resource use. This would involve a revival of the commons and a solidarity economy, making growth unnecessary for a good life.

CredoEconomics.com



50 Comments on "Approaching A Global Deflationary Crisis?"

  1. Newfie on Sat, 15th Aug 2015 8:53 pm 

    “‘Anyone who believes that exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist.” – Kenneth Boulding

  2. Makati1 on Sat, 15th Aug 2015 9:59 pm 

    Let’s see:

    1. There are 195 nations in the 2015 world.
    2. There are 7+ billion people in 2015.
    3. The world is over saturated with debt. (An understatement)
    4. Complexity has exceeded the possibility of understanding it, not to mention being able to manage it all.
    5. Add in that one nation has decided to create chaos to enable it to take over those 195 countries and their 7+ billion citizens or kill them all trying.

    The world is no longer a 195 piece jigsaw puzzle, like WW1 or WW2, it is now a 7+ billion piece puzzle.

    I disagree with the author’s assertion that someday all 7+ billion will realize that we reached the limits to growth. Instead there will be those who blame others. the weather, fate, the gods, the mother-in-law etc. The author forgets that maybe 3 billion of us are educated and actually read and try to understand world affairs. The other 4 billion plus only care about themselves, their family, their neighborhood and the weather and would hardly notice a stock market crash or depression. After all, most in the US did not suffer much during the Great Depression. Only those deeply indebted and/or tied to the markets/banks. Many were hardly inconvenienced.

    So, bring it on and get it over with. Pick up the pieces, if there are any, and move on. The 18th century is waiting.

  3. Truth Has A Liberal Bias on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 12:09 am 

    When people face economic hardship they tend to retreat into ethnic and cultural mythology. Former Yugoslavia is a good example. As is Syria and Iraq today. People fall back on tribal thinking and us vs them/in-group vs out-group thinking. Conflict soon follows. This conflict will quickly thin the heard.

    A prudent man seeth the evil, and hideth himself; But the simple pass on, and suffer for it.

    I’ll be keeping my head down at the homestead.

  4. Makati1 on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 1:28 am 

    FYI: “Oil’s Worst-Ever Summer Signals Price Rout Is Nowhere Near Done”

    “…WTI, the U.S. benchmark, fell to a six-year low of $41.35 a barrel Friday. It may slide further, according to Citigroup Inc…Shilling said. “Oil is headed for $10 to $20 a barrel.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-14/oil-s-worst-ever-summer-signals-price-rout-is-nowhere-near-done

    Bring it on!

  5. Rodster on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 3:39 am 

    The world has been in a depression since 2008. The reason we’re seeing deflation is because people are flat out broke. The clue should have been when gas prices dropped and people weren’t using the gas savings to buy more shit.

    Another flag regarding deflation should have been when Japan’s PM announced his version of QE to fight deflation and Mario Draghi said and did the same.

  6. theedrich on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 4:07 am 

    Repeatedly we read suggestions about “solutions” to the coming decline which urge nicey-niceness and community everywhere.  Sort of like the pious New Testament lies about everyone sharing everything and praising the Lord in the Book of Acts (written ca. 115-120).  Or maybe as promised by the lefty slogan about students and workers uniting, since all they have to lose are their chains:  join Stalin and Mao and we’ll take from each according to his ability and give to each according to his need.  At the mere cost of hundreds of millions of lives and abyssal corruption.

    The actual fact is that we are approaching Peak Humanity.  There is simply no way that America and the developed world can cope with the vast tsunami of invaders and criminals of all sorts, no matter what the Southern Poverty Law Center says or the Hope-n-Changer does to convince us otherwise.  The righteously indignant U.S. will attempt to murder “evil” wherever it rears its whack-a-moley head, but Yankeedom just won’t seem to get it right.  It seems you just can’t fool Mother Nature.

  7. marko on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 6:40 am 

    I like this site. Excellent article, excellent comments thank you .

  8. paulo1 on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 7:38 am 

    @ Mak,

    re your statement: “After all, most in the US did not suffer much during the Great Depression. Only those deeply indebted and/or tied to the markets/banks. Many were hardly inconvenienced.”

    Come on, Makster. This statement is crap. My Dad grew up in the Depression as did my mom. They were rural so had food, but they and most suffered mightily. My Dad and his finally got work killing pigs in a slaughterhouse. A line of 30 men shook their fists at them and wanted to kill as they were led into work….and they wern’t. My mom had one dress and wore gumboots as she had no shoes. She turned 95, yesterday. She never never talked about her childhood because it was so bad.

    If you think modern folks can in any way survive that, and I know you don’t so let me direct this to those that do, hold on folks. Those that can and do who have cash, might. Those softees with expectations and not much more will be sorely dissapointed, angry, and then?…..

  9. shortonoil on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 9:02 am 

    Anyone with any sense for global economic trends ought to be worried. The signs are everywhere of a serious deflationary crisis.

    A deflationary crisis is now baked into the cake. One look at the petroleum industry confirms it. Determining how the industry, or any oil producer is fairing is quit simple. You take their profit that was generated during the last high priced year (such as 2013) and divide by the number of barrels produced. That gives profit per barrel for that year. Then subtract the difference in per barrel price between now, and then. That gives present profit, or loss per barrel. The present spread in prices is now about $55. If you find a producer that was making $55/ barrel in 2013, they were making a 43% profit on their gross sales. The industry has historically turned a 5 to 10% profit on gross sales.

    The Etp Model, which is a best case scenario, projects a downward trend in petroleum prices from 2012 forward:

    http://www.thehillsgroup.org/depletion2_022.htm

    Unlike economic models the Etp Model is constrained by physical limits imposed by the laws of physics. It eliminates the magical “IF” word so beloved by economists who want to present a “things aren’t that bad” story line. Common sense, and the Etp Model informs us that the petroleum industry is now in dire straits in the present price environment. The Etp Model also informs us that production must fall significantly in the near future as producers who are losing money on their production will soon be shutting in high cost production, or going out of business.

    When producers run out of credit lines to finance their now money losing operations they will be shut in. It is not likely that can be escaped for many years. When it happens turmoil will ensue in petroleum producing regions. It is not likely that anywhere will escape turmoil for many years. Petroleum is the irreplaceable commodity that powers modern civilization!

    http://www.thehillsgroup.org/

  10. marmico on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 10:17 am 

    When producers run out of credit lines to finance their now money losing operations they will be shut in.

    Meanwhile, back at the Strategic Ranch, the weak hands are let go and the strong hands step in.

    It’s called bankruptcy and recapitalization you effing moron. You effing peak oil nutters sure couldn’t get LTO and OPEC production numbers right with the most substantial and durable oil price crash in 30 years.

  11. BobInget on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 11:14 am 

    Shortonoil et all,
    Thank you all for your thoughtful comments.
    I’m trying to understand this most complicated issue.

    That ‘Credo Economics’ article is a thought and conversation provoker at best.
    I get the feeling the article was assembled by committee. Never mind, one needn’t agree with every solution to every problem.

    I question the ‘deflation’ premise of the article.
    Wages aren’t keeping up with inflation, it’s true. As unemployment numbers fall wages can and will rise.

    The author(s) never says we can manage survival without ever more scarce resources.
    The author does say rapid increases in energy
    cost will harm growth. (the economy)

    The author never mentions ongoing religiously motivated, natural resource wars.
    Wars have historically been inflationary.
    (wars on credit, more so)

    The US has troops currently stationed in 125 nations. The US is currently bombing in at least a dozen on any given day. Whatever one’s opinion about this policy, at least admit it’s expensive and destructive, thereby driving greater government debt but not for constructive reasons.

    Our warpath has no end in sight.
    No end in sight.
    Oil is key to running multi front wars.

    The Author(s) refuse to further complicate the
    article with mention of Climate Changes.
    Dealing with global warming is rapidly becoming that invisible ‘elephant in the room’.
    Only one thing is certain, GW won’t wipe out our so called ‘civilization’ we won’t allow that. But, like war, it won’t be deflationary.

    Global warming, the ultimate game changer.

  12. marmico on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 12:02 pm 

    Oil is key to running multi front wars.

    Wow, apparently the U.S. military consumes 350,00 barrels of oil/per day, while the rest of the world consumes 80,000,000 barrels.

    Do the arithmetic to discover the rounding error bullshit.

    The DoD runs on oil. Despite its daily oil consumption has been declining from almost 400,000 barrels in 2004 to less than 350,000 barrels in 2012

  13. BC on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 1:24 pm 

    short, I tend to agree with most of the conclusions of your analysis, but what would you propose that the typical American/householder do in response?

  14. Apneaman on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 1:40 pm 

    You can always trust the numbers coming from the military. They have a real good track record with that sort of thing. On the up & up.

  15. GregT on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 2:05 pm 

    “Wow, apparently the U.S. military consumes 350,00 (sic) barrels of oil/per day, while the rest of the world consumes 80,000,000 barrels.”

    Does nothing what-so-ever to negate the fact that “Oil is key to running multi front wars.”

    More marmi-bull.

  16. marmico on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 2:17 pm 

    You can always trust the numbers coming from the military

    More so from the Union of Concerned Scientists (A HREF=”http://energy.defense.gov/Portals/25/Documents/Reports/20131015_FY12_OE_Annual_Report.pdf”>link) than non-existent numbers coming from an innumerate word salad prattle asshole algorithm like you.

  17. marmico on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 2:19 pm 

    Blew the html link.

    http://energy.defense.gov/Portals/25/Documents/Reports/20131015_FY12_OE_Annual_Report.pdf

  18. Apneaman on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 2:52 pm 

    They have about as much credibility as you do numb nuts. BTW to be considered numerate you have to actually know what the numbers represent. Half the charts and graphs you link to not only do not support your arguments they often counter them. Your like one of those bible code geeks who sees shit that ain’t there. Enjoy the rest of the unraveling and implosion of your once great nation – loser.

  19. GregT on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 3:01 pm 

    Straw man marmico.

    Try again.

  20. marmico on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 3:22 pm 

    BTW to be considered numerate you have to actually know what the numbers represent.

    Prove yourself you innumerate world salad prattle asshole algorithm.

    350,000 divided by 80,000,000 equals what fucktard? An effing rounding error.

  21. GregT on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 3:33 pm 

    Epic fail.

  22. Apneaman on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 3:48 pm 

    marmico + nony + papa surf = LOSER

  23. BobInget on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 5:59 pm 

    Bad news. I started a PO.com civil war.

    Good news: the topic is deflation.
    Wars remain inflationary. Like it or not.
    While the US military has cut back on oil consumption, (because the very nature of conflicts changed) most foreign military have not
    transitioned, as yet, to less oil intensive weaponry. Drones come to mind.

    The fact remains we, the US, are fighting many many smaller wars (with no endgame) at locations distant from the US. Logistics for such operations require more then talented human resources, it requires oil.

    Cutting taxes at wars onset insinuates more debt then instituting ‘war taxes’.

    In democratic societies, folks resent paying up front for unpopular wars. The US Congress abrogated its responsibility to declare war.

    Denying great change doesn’t alter outcomes.

    Only a great Inflation will ‘save’ a world mired in debt. This fact may be one reason war is popular with some politicians.

  24. BobInget on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 6:21 pm 

    Venezuela needs $125. oil to break even.
    Poor People are getting angry. Wages are far to low to afford proper food on open markets need to wait in long lines for government hand-outs.

    http://www.reuters.com/video/2015/08/13/venezuelans-desperate-as-food-shortages?videoId=365280239&videoChannel=118169

    How much longer can Venezuela’s government
    hold out is a burning question.

  25. shortonoil on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 8:12 pm 

    “short, I tend to agree with most of the conclusions of your analysis, but what would you propose that the typical American/householder do in response?”

    I would think that the first thing is to understand what a deflationary depression entails. It is marked by a situation where prices decline, but incomes declines even faster. Therefore, debt becomes an ever tightening noose. First, and foremost is get the hell out of debt; it very well may kill you! If you have to sell your house to do it, sell it. If you have to sell your car, get rid of it. Make your moves now while you can, next year may very well be too late.

    The timing of the collapse is very important. It is the primary reason we put the effort into developing the Model that we did. We are looking at up to a decade, which will be punctuated by one crisis after another. Prepare for it, and don’t be surprised when things begin to disappear. Your favorite beer may be off the self tomorrow; Scotch tape may be completely gone. There is no way of knowing in what order this will happen, but it will happen.

    Make sure that your home can be turned into a factory. Many of the things that you now take for granted will have to be made by you. Food preparation, food storage, socks, a sweater, a rope, a new handle for your knife, and thousands of other things that you haven’t yet thought about. Your home will no longer be a status symbol of Middle American prosperity, so get used to it. It will become a fortress for your survival; a place to keep you alive when others are losing that battle.

    Knowing what to expect, and then not collapsing when it arrives is essential. “Fore warned is to be fore armed”.

  26. MrNoItAll on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 9:04 pm 

    BC, forget about scotch tape. Duct tape is the way to go. Post-collapse, lots of stuff will be breaking and duct can come in very handy.

    But other than that, I am in total agreement with shortonoil’s recommendations.

    I live about 45-60 minutes SW of Portland, OR. I have transformed my back yard into a mini-farm, including egg laying chickens and honey producing bees. I have built a 2000 gallon rain capture water tank that fills up fast, and I’ve got a high quality hand pump hooked up to it. I have “garbage can” root cellars dug into the ground, excellent for storing potatoes primarily. I ended up with about 400 lbs of potatoes this season, and I’ve got about 50 gallons stored underground. Lots of carrots, lots of high-protein maze, lots of garlic and hot peppers and assorted spices for flavoring, many gallons of green peas and snow peas, tomatoes, lots of onions — and I know how to preserve everything I grow long term.

    Close by on my regular walk with dogs and girl friend through the patch of woods behind our house, there are bountiful black berries (canned lots of blackberry jam this year), apple trees and a small year round creek that is spring fed from the nearby hills. Not far away are hundreds of acres of hazelnut orchards and wine vineyards.

    That’s what this typical householder has done — made sure I picked a good spot and worked like a dog for two years to get the mini farm all put together — still working on it.

    Food and water is critical. Those will be KEY post collapse. That, and the ability to defend it.

    Along with that, plenty of duct tape as mentioned above, first aid supplies, rocket stove (a MUST HAVE), grain and spice grinder, large composting station, miscellaneous other stuff.

    Don’t tell me you’re just now getting started?!

  27. apneaman on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 9:17 pm 

    Instead of Duct tape I use seam tape for all purpose repairs. Tough shit. Get some bottles of Gorilla glue with in pin in the twist cap. I have fixed tons of crap between the two.

  28. Makati1 on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 9:37 pm 

    Ap, BOTH should be in every Prepper’s kit. Along with a jewelers loop and a good supply of screwdrivers of all types and sizes. Especially the small sizes that wear out/bend easily. I have a dozen very small Philips for disassembling electronics and such, for repairs and reuse.

  29. BC on Sun, 16th Aug 2015 11:44 pm 

    short, I can’t disagree with anything you wrote. Thanks.

    MrNo, we live not far from one another. I started a decade ago, but I don’t feel well prepared.

    Note that the core of the Portland employment base is some high tech, OHSU/”health” care, private universities, and gov’t. Excluding “health” care, “education”, and gov’t, Portland (and OR) in general has created no net new full-time employment since the late 1980s to early 1990s, i.e., 25-30 years.

    I know many dozens of people who make their living in these sectors, and, to them, there is no such thing as Peak Oil, and, apart from the stock market crash, the “Great Recession” never happened.

    Of course, this trend is not unique to Portland, as it is the situation in most large metro areas, and even more so in the NYC-Boston-DC region. These sectors are now a net cost to the rest of the private sector of the economy.

  30. MrNoItAll on Mon, 17th Aug 2015 12:35 am 

    BC — I read somewhere that Oregon’s export trade with China is around $5 billion per year — agriculture and high tech mostly. As China deteriorates, Oregon is sure to lose a lot of jobs.

    I’m fortunate that I work in high tech, for a financial software firm with customers nationwide. So my job/income isn’t dependent on what happens in Oregon — good thing too. I figure the financial services industry will be the last to go down the tubes and when it does, then we will have officially attained collapse status. I like to think I’ll be employed and earning the big bucks right up to the bitter end!

    I saw over on Gail’s blog where you had posted on her most recent article that you live in the NW and practice permaculture. It sounds like we’re both on the right track — leading the way to the real future, I like to think. The gal at the local farm store told me last time I was there that more and more people she talks to at the store are realizing that the economy is in serious trouble and that being able to produce one’s own food is becoming a priority with a lot of the folks she meets. But yeah, most people in Portland and surrounding metro areas are every bit as clueless as the general populace. Don’t get stuck downtown when TSHTF!! (or when a quarter inch of snow falls)

  31. GregT on Mon, 17th Aug 2015 12:37 am 

    Very good advice from Short, and the rest.

    Especially the part about getting out of debt, and as MrNoItAll stated above (welcome BTW) “Food and water is critical. Those will be KEY post collapse. That, and the ability to defend it.”

    As I have been saying here for quite some time now; Get out of debt, move away from largely populated areas, get involved in a small local community, and learn how to grow your own food. The opportunity is still available folks, take advantage of it while you still can.

  32. MrNoItAll on Mon, 17th Aug 2015 12:56 am 

    GregT — I’m a sock puppet. Actually, I had to stop posting under the NWR name due to snooping coworkers and a new security policy at work. Just so you know…

  33. GregT on Mon, 17th Aug 2015 1:15 am 

    NWR,

    MNIA just doesn’t have the same ‘appeal’ that NWR did. I hope you don’t mind, but I’m sticking with NWR. 🙂

  34. shortonoil on Mon, 17th Aug 2015 7:14 am 

    I forgot to mention, buy an insurance policy. Mine is a Browning 12 gauge pump loaded with double 0 buck. Chances are you will never have to use it on anyone, but the wild dogs, especially those with rabies, is going to be problem.

  35. BobInget on Mon, 17th Aug 2015 9:34 am 

    This conversation became far too nuanced when the talk of deflation turned to chickens and shotguns.

    I’ll be back soon.

  36. shortonoil on Mon, 17th Aug 2015 11:05 am 

    “This conversation became far too nuanced when the talk of deflation turned to chickens and shotguns.”

    We are talking about energy, and a chicken may very well be the most efficient machine on the planet. So don’t get all huffy on us; the day will come when you will really, really want some.(lol)

    Here is a post that supplements some of the conversation here:

    http://peakoil.com/forums/the-oil-shock-model-simplified-t71085-20.html

  37. Rodster on Mon, 17th Aug 2015 11:26 am 

    “I forgot to mention, buy an insurance policy. Mine is a Browning 12 gauge pump loaded with double 0 buck. Chances are you will never have to use it on anyone”

    Hopefully MrNoItAll heads that advice because when the global economic system collapses and we potentially go Mad Max that’s what you’ll need and more when you are producing food and the hungry zombies know you are and the Night of the Living Dead are knocking on your door and windows.

    And this time will be different as this will go global.

  38. Apneaman on Mon, 17th Aug 2015 12:38 pm 

    ‘Ghost vacancies’ haunt downtown Calgary as oil patch layoffs empty office buildings

    http://business.financialpost.com/news/energy/ghost-vacancies-haunt-downtown-calgary-as-oil-patch-layoffs-empty-office-buildings

  39. GregT on Mon, 17th Aug 2015 2:06 pm 

    “I forgot to mention, buy an insurance policy.”

    Mine are both Remington 870s. One with a 12″ barrel.

  40. antaris on Mon, 17th Aug 2015 2:35 pm 

    Yes, nothing like a __ask 870 shorty.

  41. MrNoItAll on Mon, 17th Aug 2015 3:04 pm 

    Rodster — That possibility has not escaped my mind. Fortunately, I live in a quiet neighborhood backed up against a large green space. From the street, I’m just another house. You have to look over the fences I built or through the tall arborvidae to get a glimpse of my food production center. Not a place that a lot of people will be looking at for food. But not taking anything for granted, I am ready. Mossberg 500 with tactical setup, assorted 9mm, a pocket cannon and a 50-lb composite bow for when it needs to be done silently. Hopefully they will all collect dust until the day my son inherits the collection. I give that about a 95% probability.

    Living far from a big city, in a farming valley, I’m thinking the most likely scenario given total economic collapse is that the town I live in will get together and fire up the square dancing and local street markets again. That’s not an entirely unfounded hope.

  42. Davy on Mon, 17th Aug 2015 5:24 pm 

    MR, I have a Mossberg tactical too. Doomer minds think alike.

  43. MrNoItAll on Mon, 17th Aug 2015 5:38 pm 

    Davy — I’m glad to know you’ve got the best setup possible! Rabid dogs and zombies beware! Little furry critters that run fast but not fast enough if I get hungry enough too! I’ve got small game and small/medium bird shot stored up — which is another great reason to have such a versatile setup.

  44. Makati1 on Mon, 17th Aug 2015 11:11 pm 

    I didn’t know there were so many John Wayne types in the world today! LMAO

    When 20 or 30 gang-bangers start shooting, they will not be at your door, they will pick you off from 200 yards or more. Probably at night. And they will have you surrounded. After all, they are already practicing their methods in the city. You might have a chance if you too have 20 or 30 experienced fighters and the resources to survive a siege. Odds are, the gangs will be the last men/women standing in the future.

  45. apneaman on Mon, 17th Aug 2015 11:31 pm 

    Mak here is the question I asked my self when contemplating a post collapse world.

    Since the beginning of agriculture has there ever been anyone who did not have to pay tax to some strong man/warlord/king/government? Other than the king himself of course. NO. Sooner or later someone will show up, but at least if you’re growing food they might not kill you or put you in the ranks. The wizard Greer once said if the four horsemen show up at your door…..offer them beer.

  46. joe on Tue, 18th Aug 2015 12:50 am 

    I said all along that China was more rigged than a superbowl football, that said the fact that deflation hasn’t caused panic implies a certain amount of collusion between east and west.
    The global economic growth is weak because it’s hard to move an aircraft carrier with a paddle, that’s what quant – easing is.
    In fact is more like trying to do it using waves lapping around the hull, as using debt to spur an economy in a sea of debt will have one net result, more debt. Tying up this debt in some future National Debt will ensure eventual collapse of the system. The real problem is that market demand for debt is low, this has forced the fed to act, and recent data seems to say that Euro quant-easing is having limited effect. All that seems to really be happening is that we are repeating the same mistakes from 7 years ago, property prices are rising as people have no other place to put the cash they have as other assets are too risky or have very low return. This is a very bad sign and risks another property rush just like in 05-07. Increasing interest rates is being made tougher as China undercuts the dollar and is likely to hurt the prospects of higher rates.

    So in the current climate it’s unlikely that the system could sustain itself in a severe shock, like a major terrorist attack or a major bankruptcy, or a breakout of hostilities in Europe as it both struggles to contain Russia, deal with energy problems and manages it’s biggest demographic change since the Reconqista (in reverse). This is because there could be no responses outside of more of what we already have, and that would shake confidence.

  47. Makati1 on Tue, 18th Aug 2015 2:52 am 

    Apneaman, those were the days when there was relative plenty. No one had to starve to death because there was nothing to eat. There was always someone to give you a job or make you their servant and feed you. And even Kings were always being attacked or attacking other kings for territory and wealth and needed standing armies.

    Now, when the SHTF, there will not be ANY sources of food except that plundered from active farms. How many farms could take on 20 to 30+ new eaters, likely with kids? A farm worked by hand at that. None, I think. So, it will be plunder and move on until the last farm is empty and the gang begins to turn on itself. The last act of humanity may be canabalism.

    To expect them to just ask for a handout and then peacefully move on is dreaming. Humanity is not that noble. It will be murder, rape and pillage as far as the eye can see until the last man/woman standing.

    Climate change and pollution (nuclear, chemical, biological) is not going to make a Dark Ages Europe style of living possible. Not even close.

  48. Makati1 on Tue, 18th Aug 2015 3:01 am 

    Joe, you got it in one! They are in a corner and cannot move without blasting the world financial system/economy to bits. It is ALL about money. The ME wars, the trumped up BS about Russian aggression when it is really the US/NATO terrorist aggression and ‘containment of China’ because it wants out of the USD and into it’s own currency.

    The US is frozen and has two options:

    1. Collapse of their empire and be openly the banana republic it has become.

    2. Start World War 3, knowing it will likely end in a nuclear exchange world wide and the end of humanity.

    I see the 2nd being their likely choice in the future. Some of their war hawks have already expressed the option as possible.

  49. Davy on Tue, 18th Aug 2015 4:12 am 

    Poor Makster, he can’t stand the fact that the US may be the last man standing in the collapse before all collapse. He is also facing an uncertain future in an Asian financial crisis where his adopted country relies on China to drive his tiny Island economy. Mak made the decision to move to a tiny island with 100MIL people. Once food and fuel shortages come that 100MIL will have to drop by a magnitude.

    The ecological index puts Philippines bear the bottom of the list with forest and fisheries in collapse. It is a mess in the P’s Makster. You should come home. You had your fun come home and be with your kids where you belong. You will need someone to wipe your ass in a few years anyway.

    http://focusweb.org/content/right-food-and-food-security-philippines-what-numbers-say
    http://wwf.panda.org/who_we_are/wwf_offices/philippines/environmental_problems__in_philippines/
    http://reliefweb.int/report/world/56-100-cities-most-exposed-natural-hazards-found-philippines-japan-china-bangladesh

  50. joe on Tue, 18th Aug 2015 1:21 pm 

    Interesting side note since this discussion began. China is at the start of a new housing bubble, and Russia is poised to push the Ukrainian army back another few miles. Greece made the mistake of accepting the German terms of Euro hostage and the IMF may torpedo the whole deal if it decides that it will not be told what to do by Merkel.
    Very solid basis to look for to….

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