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odegaard
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Post subject: Re: China pushes SDR as global super-currency Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:05 pm |
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joewp wrote: ... This is the ultimate goal of the New World Order: ...
Joe I'm not a big fan of conspiracy theories. When I think of a conspiracy theory I get this image of a bunch of old men sitting in a darkly lit room smoking cigars and saying to themselves, "ha ha we are going to hide this information from the public and since we control the media, society will never find out." I have a different theory on how the world works, it's called: "information over-load"Suppose 75% of all information on this planet is pure garbage or only a half truth. That means only 25% of newspapers, magazines, websites contain the truth. How do you find the truth? Simple, read everything, cross reference and put 2 and 2 together. How many people can or are willing to do this? answer = less than 50% This is why the elites in power do NOT have to "hide" anything. They can do it in broad day light. With information over-loading (the internet makes it pretty easy to spread a lie that will turn viral) society will NEVER figure it out or at least half of them won't. That's all you need to control a society in a Democracy. my 2 cents
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Post subject: China Says Global Easing Policies Risk Devaluation Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 5:10 am |
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Quote: Global central banks risk inflation, currency devaluation and a “big consolidation” in bond markets by pumping cash into their economies, the People’s Bank of China said in its quarterly monetary policy report. bloomberg
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jboogy
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Post subject: Re: China Says Global Easing Policies Risk Devaluation Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 6:04 am |
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no kidding, China actually thought maybe we weren't monetizing our debt?
awwww, isn't that cute.
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Schmuto
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Post subject: Re: China Says Global Easing Policies Risk Devaluation Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 12:00 pm |
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Is there any chance they actually thought we were going to honor the treasury notes we've been hemorrhaging?
Seriously, they're smarter than that, right?
Aren't they just trying to keep the game going a bit longer as well?
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mattduke
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Post subject: A Strategy For China To Unload Treasuries Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 2:54 pm |
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Quote: I would bet that the Chinese have been busy using their Treasury debt as collateral against FIXED-interest-rate loans. They will have used this money to buy real assets. We know they have bought at least 454 tonnes of gold. They are importing 70 percent more copper than they consume. They are filling up a strategic petroleum reserve. They have been going around the world making deals for raw materials and acquisitions of small-enough companies that they fly under the radar. (The Chinese learned their lesson from trying to buy Unocal.)
The interest rate on these fixed-rate loans will be partially offset by the interest paid on their U.S. bonds. When the bonds go tapioca, the Chinese will have two options. They can sell some of the assets they bought but at prices much higher than what they paid and so pay off the loans with worthless dollars, or they can simply default and lose their collateral of now-worthless U.S. bonds.
Just to obfuscate what they are doing, they make some complaints about U.S. debt one day and then buy some more a few weeks later. http://gata.org/node/7428
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Schmuto
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Post subject: Re: A Strategy For China To Unload Treasuries Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 3:11 pm |
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The Chinese aren't dummies.
It's just math - you crank out a billion people, you're going to get some smart ones in there.
They know that, at the end of the day, paper is only worth a few cents a pound - no matter what's printed on it.
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Post subject: Re: A Strategy For China To Unload Treasuries Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:30 pm |
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Schmuto wrote: The Chinese aren't dummies.
It's just math - you crank out a billion people, you're going to get some smart ones in there.
They have been cranking out "a few smart ones" for over a thousand years. Daft they are not. Gasmon
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Sixstrings
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Post subject: Brazil and China eye plan to axe dollar Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 3:28 pm |
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Quote: Brazil and China eye plan to axe dollarBrazil and China will work towards using their own currencies in trade transactions rather than the US dollar, according to Brazil’s central bank and aides to Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, Brazil’s president. The move follows recent Chinese challenges to the status of the dollar as the world’s leading international currency. Mr Lula da Silva, who is visiting Beijing this week, and Hu Jintao, China’s president, first discussed the idea of replacing the dollar with the renminbi and the real as trade currencies when they met at the G20 summit in London last month. An official at Brazil’s central bank stressed that talks were at an early stage. He also said that what was under discussion was not a currency swap of the kind China recently agreed with Argentina and which the US had agreed with several countries, including Brazil. “Currency swaps are not necessarily trade related,” the official said. “The funds can be drawn down for any use. What we are talking about now is Brazil paying for Chinese goods with reals and China paying for Brazilian goods with renminbi.” An aide to Mr Lula da Silva on his visit to Beijing said the political will to enact a similar deal with China was clearly present. “Something that would have been unthinkable 10 years ago is a real possibility today,” he said. “Strong currencies like the real and the renminbi are perfectly capable of being used as trade currencies, as is the case between Brazil and Argentina.” Economists have argued that while the SDR plan is unfeasible now, bilateral deals between Beijing and its trading partners could act as pieces in a jigsaw designed to promote wider international use of the renminbi.http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/996b1af8-43ce ... abdc0.html So.. a few years from now, will be buying our Fiats with Renminbi? I'm no financial expert, but I *think* this is pretty significant news. It sounds to me like the rats are jumping ship, and the economies that are still growing are looking to cut us out of the loop.
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Post subject: Re: Brazil and China eye plan to axe dollar Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 4:22 pm |
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Sixstrings wrote: Quote: Brazil and China eye plan to axe dollar Brazil and China will work towards using their own currencies in trade transactions rather than the US dollar, according to Brazil’s central bank and aides to Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, Brazil’s president. The move follows recent Chinese challenges to the status of the dollar as the world’s leading international currency. --snip-- Economists have argued that while the SDR plan is unfeasible now, bilateral deals between Beijing and its trading partners could act as pieces in a jigsaw designed to promote wider international use of the renminbi. So.. a few years from now, will be buying our Fiats with Renminbi? I'm no financial expert, but I *think* this is pretty significant news. It sounds to me like the rats are jumping ship, and the economies that are still growing are looking to cut us out of the loop. Doesn't this mean that China is ready to dump the dollar, and thus will no longer buy US Treasury notes with excess dollars, which reduces the USA to basic pauperhoodness? Or is that pauperhooddom? significant? This is a BRAIN SQUEEZE and it HURTS ![5squeeze [smilie=5squeeze.gif]](./images/smilies/5squeeze.gif)
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Sixstrings
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Post subject: Re: Brazil and China eye plan to axe dollar Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 4:37 pm |
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pstarr wrote: Doesn't this mean that China is ready to dump the dollar, and thus will no longer buy US Treasury notes with excess dollars, which reduces the USA to basic pauperhoodness? Or is that pauperhooddom? significant? This is a BRAIN SQUEEZE and it HURTS ![5squeeze [smilie=5squeeze.gif]](./images/smilies/5squeeze.gif) Pstarr, Well, a number of us are always raising the China Doom banner on this forum. So by significant, I mean just that -- more significant than usual.  As for treasuries, it's not an announcement that they're gonna stop buying. Currently, the US dollar is THE coin of the realm in the world. That's what oil is priced in, and it's the currency nations use to trade with each other. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but what this move amounts to is major devaluation of the US dollar. There's also an article up on WSJ about China moving to use it's vast gold reserves to back it's currency. All this talk really looks like a move by China to supplant the dominant US dollar with their own renminbi. And that's why this story is sginificant.. it's not just talk, they've gone and made a deal with Brazil, no US dollars needed anymore thank you very much.
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alokin
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Post subject: Re: A Strategy For China To Unload Treasuries Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 11:58 pm |
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they maybe do what lots of us do: prepping
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kjmclark
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Post subject: Re: Brazil and China eye plan to axe dollar Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:03 am |
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That looks like a big deal in terms of precedent, but not that important to the dollar in the short term. Countries hold reserves of foreign currency to both defend their own currency and ensure they can trade with a foreign country on fairly favorable terms. China's dollar reserves are there to deal with another "asian flu" style currency run. Anyone who wants dollars like they did to repatriate their assets during the asian economic crisis will know that they have no reason to question China's ability to pay out in dollars. The Chinese already have no reason to fear trade problems; they hold our leash.
The currency used in trade is small potatoes. That just means I price my goods in a particular currency. When we exchange goods, we really just exchange bank account balances electronically and they mostly balance out anyway.
I think the real problem for the US here is that China will have a little less reason to hold dollars and so will Brazil. They will both want to hold a little of the other's currency to ensure trade goes smoothly. They will also both need a bit fewer dollars to defend their currencies, to the extent that the demands for currency come from the other trade partner in a currency run. The more agreements like this, the less reason everyone has to hold dollars.
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Post subject: Re: Brazil and China eye plan to axe dollar Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:23 am |
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Gee, I wonder what will happen to the value of the dollar when they are no longer being held in reserve by countries like China but instead are part of the flowing money supply? LOL!
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Post subject: Re: A Strategy For China To Unload Treasuries Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:30 am |
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More options to get away from the dollar: China allows 2 banks in HK to sell yuan bondsQuote: Two major banks outside mainland China said Tuesday they've become the first foreign companies granted approval to sell bonds in Chinese yuan - a step toward making it an international currency.
The banks - London-based HSBC Holdings ( HBC - news - people ) and Hong Kong-based Bank of East Asia ( BKEAF.PK - news - people ) - said in statements their subsidiaries in mainland China have been given permission by regulators to start issuing yuan-denominated bonds in Hong Kong. Other details, including the amounts and timing of the offerings, weren't released.
It marks the first time firms based outside the mainland have been given the OK to sell such debt securities in Hong Kong, a move that furthers Beijing's goal of promoting the yuan as an alternative to the U.S. dollar for international trade and reserves. ... "The government is trying to become less reliant on U.S. dollars as a reserve currency, with a longer-term goal to make the renminbi a more global currency," said Kelvin Lau, regional economist at Standard Chartered ( SCBEF.PK - news - people ) Bank.
Letting HSBC and Bank of East Asia issue bonds in Hong Kong also meshes with Beijing's ambitions for its currency. Doing so helps develop overseas financial markets for the yuan, in turn boosting its liquidity and attractiveness among investors. http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/05/19/ap6439206.html
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Post subject: Re: Brazil and China eye plan to axe dollar Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:35 am |
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