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Ibon
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Post subject: Re: Uncle Sam says Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 2:00 pm |
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Ludi wrote: Ibon wrote: As global warming turns the northern latitudes warmer and sunnier who knows, maybe natural selection will weed them out. I'm pretty sure solar exposure has to do primarily with latitude, not temperature. But maybe if it's warmer folks will be able to stay outside longer and get more Vitamin D. But not likely to require darker pigment for protection from the sun. How dark northern folks get in a low-energy future will probably depend on how much dark pigment genetics have been introduced into the population, not on climate change, seems to me. And wearing less clothes. Look at what happened to the skin cancer rates of white Australians once the ozone layer thinned. But those long dark winters of northern latitudes does probably mean less total sun exposure so you are right. There is another interesting factor that is in reference to the adaptation of eating dairy products. The northern europeans are some of the most lactose tolerant group as they have evolved many many generations raising cows and eating dairy. This is the single most important source of vitamin D besides sun shining on your skin. Here are some good arguments for preserving racial purity and not turning the whole planet into one mongrel breed of humans 1) Racial differences have regional adaptability as in the example of skin pigmentation and lactose tolerance given above. As global warming will create regional extremes in environmental conditions some races will do better. Just like we have seed banks of heirloom and native seeds for wheat for example to pull from if we need to breed in resistance to novel diseases likewise we should maintain this same racial variations in humans to guarantee the resiliency of our species going forward. ON THE OTHER HAND 2) If we increase heterosis, hybrid vigor, in humans, we will breed a super race of highly resistant Kudzu Ape mongrels that will prove more adaptive and they will persist longer in their overshoot to the detriment of species diversity on the planet. I can't take myself seriously any more ! !
_________________ Our resiliency resembles an invasive weed. We are the Kudzu Ape
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Pretorian
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Post subject: Re: Uncle Sam says Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 2:13 pm |
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flapjax wrote: What happened is, Pretorian, you have nothing special about you at all exept that you are white, so you cling to it as if it makes you better than others; your only accomplishment - having been born. I have never said that being white makes me so special or better than others ( may be because nobody cared enough to describe what exactly "better" or "superior " is); so I am not even a racist technically.
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Ibon
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Post subject: Re: Uncle Sam says Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 2:22 pm |
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Pretorian wrote: Ibon, have you heard of outbreeding depression? Or may be you know how many generations heterosis lasts, when it happens? Outbreeding depression is also a real phenomenon. Let's play am imaginary game to understand this using Darwins finches. Two closely related species come together that are still similar enough to create hybrids and produce fertile offspring. The problem is the father had a big bill to crack open big seeds and the mother had a small bill to crack open small seeds. The fertile offspring starved because there were only large and small seeds available to feed on. They couldn't crack the big seeds with their medium size bills but they also lacked the dexterity to open the small seeds. This is outbreeding depression. Pretorian, I hope you understand the irony and humor here in our discussion. Let me explain what has been happening these past couple of posts. We are basically enjoying ourselves with some pseudo science, pulling phenomenon from the natural world in an attempt to present arguments either in favor of or against racial purity in humans. We are doing exactly what the racist social darwinists did in the late 19th century and early 20th century. Looking for proofs in the natural world to reinforce own racial bias. There is no proof of racial superiority in humans. There are variances. Isn't that grand?
_________________ Our resiliency resembles an invasive weed. We are the Kudzu Ape
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Ibon
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Post subject: Re: Uncle Sam says Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 2:31 pm |
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Ludi wrote: Pretorian wrote: So ? You don't know how it happens? How old are you? I think you might be a little confused. http://scienceblogs.com/gnxp/2006/10/bl ... _again.phpNow who do they remind me of 
_________________ Our resiliency resembles an invasive weed. We are the Kudzu Ape
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Pretorian
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Post subject: Re: Uncle Sam says Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 2:49 pm |
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Ibon wrote:
There is no proof of racial superiority in humans. There are variances. Isn't that grand? Define "superiority".
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eastbay
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Post subject: Re: Uncle Sam says Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:00 pm |
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Ibon wrote: There is no proof of racial superiority in humans. There are variances. Isn't that grand? +1 Here here!! It's pretty obvious. Variances. Very well put! 
_________________ Got Dharma?
Everything is Impermanent. Shakyamuni Buddha
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Ibon
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Post subject: Re: Uncle Sam says Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:07 pm |
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Pretorian wrote: Ibon wrote:
There is no proof of racial superiority in humans. There are variances. Isn't that grand? Define "superiority". Exactly. How do you? And how do you separate racial and cultural traits even if you come up with some definition of superiority? 1) Is it based on an IQ test of mathematics and logic 2) It is based on the emotional intelligence of functioning harmoniously in a group 3) Is it in the cadence and rhythm of how you use your language, your body your voice to communicate subtle concepts? 4) Is it based on avoiding overshoot and living within carrying capacity 5) Is it based on how a society or culture cares for their aged and sick 6) Is it based on whether a culture believes in religion or science 7) Is it based on the ability to reason with abstract symbols and write computer programs  Is it the ability to innovate in novel situations. You tell me?
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Pretorian
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Post subject: Re: Uncle Sam says Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:31 pm |
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Ibon wrote: Pretorian wrote: Ibon wrote:
There is no proof of racial superiority in humans. There are variances. Isn't that grand? Define "superiority". Exactly. How do you? And how do you separate racial and cultural traits even if you come up with some definition of superiority? 1) Is it based on an IQ test of mathematics and logic 2) It is based on the emotional intelligence of functioning harmoniously in a group 3) Is it in the cadence and rhythm of how you use your language, your body your voice to communicate subtle concepts? 4) Is it based on avoiding overshoot and living within carrying capacity 5) Is it based on how a society or culture cares for their aged and sick 6) Is it based on whether a culture believes in religion or science 7) Is it based on the ability to reason with abstract symbols and write computer programs  Is it the ability to innovate in novel situations. You tell me? Simple: I do not define it at all. Every lifeform has something that other does not.
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Post subject: Re: Uncle Sam says Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:37 pm |
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Right on. Everyone's happy now! 
_________________ Got Dharma?
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Ibon
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Post subject: Re: Uncle Sam says Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 6:00 pm |
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Ayoob wrote: It's not e-thuggery for me. I'm pretty up front about suggesting machine gun turrets along the border. You'd only have to kill so many before the rest would get the message. Otherwise... America is just territory that's open for resettlement by anyone/everyone. Fight to keep what you have or lose it forever. . Now that we are all happy let's come back to Ayoob's post here. In defining cultural or racial intelligence let's look at one of the definitions I mentioned above: It is based on the emotional intelligence of functioning harmoniously in a group ?It may be tempting to say, Look at this dude Ayoob, he is being a typical racist white guy, xenophobic, ready to pracice ethnic cleansing like his white ancestors instead of integration. It must be something in these white guys genes, right? Some overly agressive gene expression that limits cooperation and emotional intelligence in favor of simply killing off anyone different? Or maybe a gene that switches from cooperation to ethnic cleansing as soon as local populations reach overshoot? But maybe this is Ibon's cultural or racial bias assuming Ayoob is white based solely on his comments. I don't really know. Ayoob might be filipino who hates mexicans because he is competing with them. Selling old lady guns. I can just see Ludi sending him a private message and ordering her AK47 to keep those mexicans out of her back yard Is selling guns the best way to deal with your fear of Mexicans and any other people of color. Will this enhance his family and tribes survival in the next 40 years as mexicans, filipinos, ethiopians, jamaicans, african americans and other people of color slowly dominate the demographics of the country he lives in. Ayoob's children will probably have to work with hispanics and many people of color when they are older. How is Ayoob's position of shooting mexicans at the border going to help his children compete in a racially diverse culture? Is this an example of the ability to innovate in novel situations?
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Post subject: Re: Uncle Sam says Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:26 pm |
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Pretorian wrote: I have never said that being white makes me so special You did not have to implicity state that you believe being white makes you special, it can be inferred with a high degree of clarity. Pretorian wrote: yeah, right. You just want more illegal Mexicans and what not overhere so they can put a turd on a white man's plate. What happened is, flapjax, that you wanted to be white but mean white people told you that you just aren't. And there is nothing you can do about it. Pretorian wrote: you don't have a race So is Obama not black? Try telling the rest of America that the "The First Black President" has no race. History will clearly disagree with your definition of a mixed breed. Your comment is moot.
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Post subject: Re: Uncle Sam says Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 7:47 pm |
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Ibon wrote: Pretorian wrote: Ibon wrote:
There is no proof of racial superiority in humans. There are variances. Isn't that grand? Define "superiority". Exactly. How do you? And how do you separate racial and cultural traits even if you come up with some definition of superiority? 1) Is it based on an IQ test of mathematics and logic 2) It is based on the emotional intelligence of functioning harmoniously in a group 3) Is it in the cadence and rhythm of how you use your language, your body your voice to communicate subtle concepts? 4) Is it based on avoiding overshoot and living within carrying capacity 5) Is it based on how a society or culture cares for their aged and sick 6) Is it based on whether a culture believes in religion or science 7) Is it based on the ability to reason with abstract symbols and write computer programs  Is it the ability to innovate in novel situations. You tell me? I said very nearly the same thing in the racism thread. We are art, there is no such thing as superior. It is impossible to say what is the greatest painting or the greatest song. Indeed there are only variances.
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bodigami
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Post subject: Re: Uncle Sam says Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:33 pm |
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and I say fvck off to all the u$army.
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Pretorian
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Post subject: Re: Uncle Sam says Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:27 pm |
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flapjax wrote: Pretorian wrote: yeah, right. You just want more illegal Mexicans and what not overhere so they can put a turd on a white man's plate. What happened is, flapjax, that you wanted to be white but mean white people told you that you just aren't. And there is nothing you can do about it. Pretorian wrote: you don't have a race So is Obama not black? Try telling the rest of America that the "The First Black President" has no race. History will clearly disagree with your definition of a mixed breed. Your comment is moot. Black, in case you don't know this yet, is a colour, not a race. There are quite a few races who are wearing black skins. To pretend that they are one race is utterly ignorant and insulting. And if by "black" you mean "Negroid" then no, Obama is not a Negroid. If he lived in South Africa , he'd be discriminated day and night for what he is. You too, btw.
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Post subject: Re: Uncle Sam says Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:07 pm |
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Ludi wrote: Pretorian wrote: well , enlighten me then.
Read up on genetics, I linked to an article about "black and white" twin genetics. you forgot grey... and memes. and the triad of kundalini practiced by buddhist monks, like me... sure, i am self-taught and not ordained in any fancy eastern monastery... but i like it that way. 
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