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Liamj
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2005 5:55 pm |
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My bet is they pull out of as many population centres as possible & just 'protect' oil infrastructure, for the Iraqi's own good of course.
Interesting to see John Negroponte pulling out (no longer ambassador), he got the intelligence czar job 'because he was the only one willing' they said on ABC news this am. Hey, i'd do the same, but when a guy who managed death squads & trained torturers in Vietnam, Chile, Nicaragua, Honduras & Mexico thinks its time to bail...
On Negroponte:
http://www.fpif.org/republicanrule/offi ... negroponte
http://rwor.org/a/1241/ustorture.htm
http://www.ilcaonline.org/print.php?sid=282
That such a guy is now reqd for work within the USA is not a good sign.
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stu
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 6:29 am |
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TrueKaiser
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Post subject: Army misses recruiting goal by 27% Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 9:47 pm |
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clickey
hmm i wonder how long this can go on till they have no choice but call up a draft.
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SD_Scott
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 10:36 pm |
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Thats not just a problem with the military. It's also a problem with the typical recruit. There is only one reason to join the military, and that's to fight. Not just to get free college.
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crude_intentions
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:15 pm |
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I think since the WMD thing did'nt Pan out most people see the Iraq war as a total waste of time, money, and lives and really don't feel like throwing away thier lives for some Middle East Craphole. Also the Talk about Iran is probably scaring the Hell out of everyone.
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Dvanharn
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Post subject: Imperial canon fodder?? Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:24 pm |
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Many would fight to defend their country, but many do not want to die in an insurgency against occupiers. Most military and foreign policy experts saw it coming, but those at the pentagon refused to believe in. Plus the reasons for the war and occupation change frequently, and that has to be disheartening to the troops. Survivable injuries include many more very serious types, and many who would have died in previous wars are left to live their lives as amputees and brain-damaged veterans.
There is no credibiity or honor in the White House or the Pentagon these days, and that too, will continue to help de-populate the "all volunteer" U.S military forces. The insurgents try to make the GI's as nervous and trigger happy as they can, so they will shoot and kill civilians and friends. They seem to be suceeding as evidenced by the recent shooting of an Italian reporter and intelligence agent, and a Bulgarian soldier. It's morbidly humorous that they call it "riendly fire."
I served stateside in a military hospital during the first years of the Viet Nam War, including assignment on the psychiatric wards. I believe that there will be many psychologically scarred vets of this war that will put a burden on many segments of our society.
It's obvious that many young men and women are weighing the issues,
and deciding that the military is neither a good option nor a fighting for a just cause these days.
Will Bush and Rumsfeld be forced to consider a draft? Will the children of the wealthy and connected be exempted? Interesting times lie ahead.
Dave
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TrueKaiser
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Post subject: Re: Imperial canon fodder?? Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:29 pm |
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Dvanharn wrote: Many would fight to defend their country, but many do not want to die in an insurgency against occupiers. Most military and foreign policy experts saw it coming, but those at the pentagon refused to believe in. Plus the reasons for the war and occupation change frequently, and that has to be disheartening to the troops. Survivable injuries include many more very serious types, and many who would have died in previous wars are left to live their lives as amputees and brain-damaged veterans.
There is no credibiity or honor in the White House or the Pentagon these days, and that too, will continue to help de-populate the "all volunteer" U.S military forces. The insurgents try to make the GI's as nervous and trigger happy as they can, so they will shoot and kill civilians and friends. They seem to be suceeding as evidenced by the recent shooting of an Italian reporter and intelligence agent, and a Bulgarian soldier. It's morbidly humorous that they call it "riendly fire."
I served stateside in a military hospital during the first years of the Viet Nam War, including assignment on the psychiatric wards. I believe that there will be many psychologically scarred vets of this war that will put a burden on many segments of our society.
It's obvious that many young men and women are weighing the issues, and deciding that the military is neither a good option nor a fighting for a just cause these days.
Will Bush and Rumsfeld be forced to consider a draft? Will the children of the wealthy and connected be exempted? Interesting times lie ahead.
Dave
well among some military circles a common idea is that if the bush daughters signed up and into actual combat, or willingly went to be drafted they would have a huge outpouring of people who who would want to do the same.
common sense though dictates that this will never happen because bush would not want to put his daughters into a deathtrap.
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savethehumans
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 3:02 am |
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*** s i g h***
Here comes the draft....
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BabyPeanut
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 5:51 am |
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We are building new recruits as fast as we can.
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-rev ... 02584.html
Quote: CMU to build Marines unmanned ground vehicles
Friday, February 11, 2005
Carnegie Mellon University's National Robotics Engineering Consortium and Arlington, Va.-based United Defense have a $26.4 million Department of Defense contract to develop an unmanned ground vehicle for the Marines. The Gladiator Tactical Unmanned Ground Vehicle is to be used in remote combat tasks, including reconnaissance and surveillance, while the operator remains concealed at a distance. The contract, announced Thursday, includes calls for six of the vehicles to be built at the United Defense facility in Lemont Furnace, Fayette County, along with armor samples and associated data. The project is expected to be complete by July 2007. Officials say as many as 200 of the high-tech vehicles could be built in Fayette County. http://www.dod.mil/contracts/2005/ct20050210.htmlQuote: Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, Pa., was awarded on Feb. 7, 2005, a $26,433,460 cost-plus-incentive-fee contract for System Development and Demonstration (SDD) of the Gladiator Tactical Unmanned Ground Vehicle (TUGV). The initial increment of funds being obligated is $12,400,000. The effort will include design, development and delivery of six tactical unmanned ground vehicles, armor samples and associated data. Work will be performed in Pittsburgh, Pa., and is expected to be completed by July 2007. Contract funds will not expire by the end of the current fiscal year. This contract was competitively procured, with two proposals solicited and two offers received. The Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico, Va., is the contracting activity (M67854-05-C-1030). http://www.defensereview.com/modules.ph ... nt&sid=657Quote: If an unmanned/robotic technology is developed for military application, it's not long before the question is asked, "Can we stick a gun on it?". In this case, the answer was a resounding "Yes". One from the I want my giant house and SUV!!! but I don't want any energy to be developed near it and I don't want any killing to get the energy for me. I just want the rest of the world to acknowledge my superiority and give me their stuff crowd: http://www.mcall.com/news/opinion/all-u ... pinion-hedQuote: By engaging robots that offer more efficient ways to kill, are we disengaging ourselves from humanity? ... David L. Ulin is the author of ''The Myth of Solid Ground: Earthquakes, Prediction, and the Fault Line Between Reason and Faith.'' This article first appeared in the Los Angeles Times, a Tribune Publishing newspaper.
Well, David, you can't lose what you don't have. Go out to the desert and stick a bone through your nose and burn sticks and dung for energy if you want your humanity because anything more than that is pure selfishness when you are supporting a regime that oppresses others into that state.
Me at least I know I'm being oppressive when I bite into a DunkinDonut[tm].
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maverickdoc
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:48 am |
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Quote: Reinstatement of the draft is likely soon, despite what the politicians say By info@NoDraftNoWay.orgContact: 39 W. 14 St., #206, New York, NY 10011 · (212) 633-6646 In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. We must begin NOW to build a movement to stop the draft before it starts. The U.S. military is in a quagmire in Iraq, facing a national popular uprising against the occupation. Although the U.S. has 138,000 soldiers, supplemented by as many as 20,000 mercenaries, in Iraq, this force is not sufficient to defeat the uprising. According to the Associated Press, military officials have recently admitted that the resistance numbers more as high as 20,000 and has enough popular support among the Iraqi people that they cannot be militarily defeated. Nevertheless, President Bush is committed to trying to maintain the occupation, and is threatening to launch new wars against Iran, North Korea, and Syria. Soldiers are dying every day. A report issued in January, 2004 by Jeffrey Record, a visiting professor at the Air War College, said the Army is "near the breaking point." The Pentagon has been forced to issue repeated "stop loss" orders and recall soldiers who had retired or otherwise returned to civilian life. Out of 10 Army Divisions, part or all of 9 of them are either deployed in Iraq or Afghanistan. Twenty-one out of 33 regular combat brigades are on active duty in Iraq, Afghanistan, South Korea, or the Balkans. That's 63% of the Army's combat strength. This means the Army is extremely overextended. Military experts agree that in order to maintain long-term mobilizations, an army needs twice as many soldiers at home as deployed. That means the U.S. Army is more than 100,000 soldiers short. The Bush Administration has been trying to fill the gap with Reserve and National Guard troops, but this is a temporary fix at best. Meanwhile, official U.S. foreign policy is now the doctrine of "pre-emptive war" and "regime change" wherever a leader runs afoul of U.S. corporate interests. An invasion of Iran, Syria, Korea, or Cuba -- all of whom are on Washington-and-Wall Street's list of targets -- would require tens or hundreds of thousands of new soldiers. Enlistment rates not even able to maintain current force levels, much less provide troops for new invasions and occupations. All four services missed their enlistment quotas last year, and enlistments in the Reserves, National Guard, and regular military are at a 30-year low. Many current members of the armed forces plan to get out as soon as their current enlistment ends. According to a poll conducted by the military newspaper Stars & Stripes, 49% of soldiers stationed in Iraq do not plan to re-enlist. The President has given the Selective Service System a set of readiness goals to be implemented by March 31, 2005. As part of these performance goals, the System must be ready to be fully operational within 75 days. This means we can look for the Draft to be in operation as early as June 15, 2005....<snip>
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/w ... es.shtml#0
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Wildwell
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:00 am |
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You cannot defeat people anyway that are willing to blow themselves up. Period. And the more people the US kills, the more people will be willing to do it IMHO.
Best way to stop a draft is to push for implementation of a lower energy lifestyle. Best was to stop peak oil is for a draft, should reduce the population hence consumption will fall, especially with all those boy racers in the desert. 
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crude_intentions
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:18 am |
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Quote: The President has given the Selective Service System a set of readiness goals to be implemented by March 31, 2005. As part of these performance goals, the System must be ready to be fully operational within 75 days. This means we can look for the Draft to be in operation as early as June 15, 2005....<snip>
If it's going to be ready by June that puts it right in the time frame people like Scott Ritter and a few other in the know say that the Iran invasion is going to happen
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maverickdoc
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:25 am |
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Specop_007 wrote: You guys are still buying into the whoel draft thing? Jesus. ![BangHead [smilie=BangHead.gif]](./images/smilies/BangHead.gif)
I know, I think they are buying this whole Peak oil thing too
![BangHead [smilie=BangHead.gif]](./images/smilies/BangHead.gif)
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BabyPeanut
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 11:56 am |
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Wildwell wrote: You cannot defeat people anyway that are willing to blow themselves up. Period.
What happened to the Japanese in 1945?
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Wildwell
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:01 pm |
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Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:00 am Posts: 2070 Location: UK
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BabyPeanut wrote: Wildwell wrote: You cannot defeat people anyway that are willing to blow themselves up. Period. What happened to the Japanese in 1945?
That was different; one nation had useable nuclear weapons. A no brainer. These days we risk nuclear annihilation from other nations and terrorist attacks with dirty bombs and chemical weapons.
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