your flattering yourself. im not going to spend 4 hours a day here arguing with some that can not be reasoned with.

when it come to you and your biased view yes. have you even noticed my posts when not arguing with you? they are very different.

it just would not be you without the insults. why such a continuing theme with the people you debate. is everybody that does not agree with you stupid?

just more insults.

yes we know your damn near pefect.

i dint say it wasnt. however, if you had handled it better you would have looked better.


we already know that

it is compared to most of america. even at that it does not change the fact that you live in one of the worlds most overpopulated countrys and have a pittance of arable land. 21% to be exact. that works out to be about 1765 people for every square kilometer of arable land. that not going to feed you. i would be scared shitless to live there in light of peak oil.

europe has its own problems. they are way overpopulated. and that technology you speak of is oil driven - exactly what the world is running out of.

just another lie. lebanon imports 82% of its meat, 100% of its milk powder and 53% of its cheese and butter all while having a 105% tarif on them. you were right on the eggs even though you import/smuggle a lot of baby chicks into you country Lebenon

to keep oil cheaply traded in petrodollars of course.

i feel special, im the first person you waste your time on when you log on here.

were not brainwashed and its all of the above.

not to nitpick but eastern texas is a forest. Upon further reading lebanon is the only middle eastern country that does have a huge desert but desertifacation is a problem. that being said lebanons farms pale in comparison to the average us farm and farmers here would turn your farmland into pasture.

Desert, n, region that has little or no vegetation because of low rainfall.
American, adj, ignorant.

You're confusing livestock production with livestock products. We import the feed for the livestock but we do not import the milk, eggs, or meat that the livestock produce. In fact, livestock products constitute a huge part of our GNP. You do understand what GNP is, right? Re-read the website you quoted. Here:

I've never called you a liar, have I?

i do understand what gnp is and it has nothing to do with my refutation of your claim. the quote from the article actually backs me up not you miki. the fact stands that lebanon has to import most of its meat and dairy products.
so i say this. do you actually what gnp is? judging from your answer i say not in the slightest.
so you either lied about lebanon not having to import its meat and milk products or you just came up with it off the top of your head without knowing the facts. im really not sure which is worse.

you cant catch me in a lie miki thats why you have not called me liar. you would have if you did considering the sheer amount of insults you have hurled my way.
at least i have the balls to admit when i was wrong instead blindly defending the lie which you continually do and have done here.
so admit it. you were wrong.

NWildman, Miki has handed you your ass so many times in this thread, it's laughable. You may not be able to see it, but I'm sure anyone who doesn't already have you on their ignore list, can.

maybe to a blind terrorist sympathizer like yourself. she has done no such thing as far as the facts as concerned. did you not notice that all she responded to in my last post was a bald faced lie?

your right i cant see it. you just hate me because i support the us when it comes to the jihadist bullshit.

miki is on way more ignore lists than i am. if she actually had something intelligent to say about peakoil that may not be the case.
you can do better slamming me than post your subjective opinion. come on threadbear, rip my arguments apart.

Let's see Nwildman:
1-You are right. I misread the information. I missed the "agricultural sector" part. I figured that if 1/3 of the GNP was from livestock, there was no way we imported that much meat/dairy, so I thought they were referring to the livestock feed. You have to cut me some slag though, 'cause the wording of the article is confusing (to me, at least) .
2-GNP is the Gross National Product, right? We learned that in high school.
3-I did not lie. I just expressed my own observations. Most of the milk and cheese and meat that I see at the grocery stores has a "made in Lebanon" stamp on it, but it may just be that I don't buy imported stuff that often, so I haven't paid attention to it.
I admit that my judgement was rather unscientific and based on my own candid observations at the grocery store.

I don't have any problem admitting when I'm wrong nwildman. None of us is perfect, especially before we drink our morning coffee .

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that Israel went balls out for Hizbollah to iron out the creases and dust off the IDF for the coming war with Iran. This was the main aim, with the secondary and equally important aim of eliminating the threat on their northern border which failed IMO. However, once the UN force is in place, expect an attack on Iran probably before Christmas. God help those UN soldiers who are going to be the filling in a hell of a s..t sandwich. The French know what's coming which is why they didn't want to commit troops. They had to give in to avoid looking impotent. The White House and Knesset must be rolling around laughing at how things are turning out.

1. your forgiven we all make mistakes
3. there may be some bad marketing going on. a while back we had our own "made in the usa" scandal. its just to easy to slap a sticker on a product. i try and get around it by buying as locally as i can. my meat supplyer is 10 miles north and totally organic.

I hope you're wrong, but I've thought the same myself but in preparation for a US assault.

Apparently Jimmy Carter compares the current State of Israel to the Apartheid Government of South Africa.
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I cannot believe he could be making this comparison. Other than being a Government founded on a racist ideology and impoverishing millions of people in slums there is no comparison between the two.
It is interesting to see all the criticism that he is attracting from the Jewish lobby, just for questioning the party line.
Some one pointed this out before and it is a valid criticism why is Zionism given a free pass and not considered a racist ideology?

Ah, so no comparison.

I think the common perception is that Israel is acting defensively to protect itself from persecution--that their actions are based on the politics of exclusion rather than racism. But one can easily segue into the other.
It's interesting to note, too, that every argument Israel makes to defend it's position,Germany also made to justify the creation of pogroms against the Jews.

The psychology of vicimtimization has become so entrenched in Israel, that some can't see beyond it, and understand where it often leads. Defensiveness often becomes offensiveness and feelings of exclusivity are ripe to become racism.

I have near neighbours, Austrians, who fought for Germany in WW2. They are the kindest people you could hope to meet, yet when I mentioned the concentration camps to them, they said, "You have to understand, we had a civil war with the Jews". Interesting take on that. The Nazis, armed to the teeth, and representing the majority of the population, had a civil war going with an unarmed vulnerable minority. Is Israel, to a lesser extent, now repeating history with Palestinians, and how far are they prepared to go within a matrix of belief that defines their own people as victims and the Palestinians as the oppressor?

I'm confused. A Jewish state is "racist", but an Islamic state is not? "Zionism" is an offense against nature but "Islamism" is perfectly jake?
I don't understand. Please explain this to me.
(Not that I disagree with Carter about what the Israelis are doing, by the way...)

The reason you don't understand is you are deliberately misreading what people are saying. A criticism of Israel is not an apology for any other nation.
BTW, Judaism is a religion but being a Jew can also refer to race. Islam is not a racial description.