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Cool Hand Linc
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Post subject: LOL Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:42 pm |
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Joined: Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:00 am Posts: 967 Location: Tulsa, Ok
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Wow! I am a republican and I am in favor of conservation. People look at me as if I am nuts when I tell them fuel isn't going to get cheaper. The price will continue to stair step up and up.
MQ, I know many people didn't think Carter was a great president. I did and still do. This speech you posted from is some of what made me think so. I didn't vote for him but admire him because he did tell the American public the way it was. Not what they wanted to hear.
This post should be considered as one that new people to this site should read. Mainly because of the fact a President was saying just this thing years ago. To bad the partisian shit had to come up again. It was going so well until the ignorant post about the republicans.
My oldest brother is a liberal democrat. When I began to talk about peakoil. He told me I was crazy. Started all this bullshit talk about political issues. Then one day. I found this speech. I asked him what he thought about Carter. He had great respect for Carter. Then I presented quotes from this speech. Telling him Carter knew and tried to get the word out.
My brother no longer doubts peak oil and the ramifications.
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Cool Hand Linc
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MonteQuest
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 10:09 pm |
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Joined: Mon Sep 06, 2004 12:00 am Posts: 14024 Location: Sedona, Arizona
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Here is another great speech by President Carter:
Carter: The Crisis of Confidence July 15, 1979
Quote: I am tonight setting a clear goal for the energy policy of the United States. Beginning this moment, this Nation will never use more foreign oil than we did in 1977 - never. From now on, every new addition to our demand for energy will be met from our own production and our own conservation. The generation - long growth in our dependence on foreign oil will be stopped dead in its tracks right now and then reversed as we move through the 1980's, for I am tonight setting the further goal of cutting our dependence on foreign oil by one-half by the end of the next decade - a saving of over 4 1/2 million barrels of imported oil per day. Point two: To ensure that we meet these targets, I will use my Presidential authority to set import quotas. I'm announcing tonight that for 1979 and 1980,1 will forbid the entry into this country of one drop of foreign oil more than these goals allow. These quotas will ensure a reduction in imports even below the ambitious levels we set at the recent Tokyo summit...Moreover, I will soon submit legislation to Congress calling for the creation of this Nation's first solar bank, which will help us achieve the crucial goal of 20 percent of our energy coming from solar power by the year 2000. link
MP3 audio link of speech: link
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0mar
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 12:20 am |
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Joined: Tue Oct 12, 2004 12:00 am Posts: 1610 Location: Davis, California
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A great opportunity wasted.
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clv101
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 2:52 am |
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Wow - just listened to that MP3. Incredible... that was pretty much the answer. What went wrong? Why didn't it pan out like that?
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Cool Hand Linc
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Post subject: Why Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:56 am |
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Joined: Sat Apr 17, 2004 12:00 am Posts: 967 Location: Tulsa, Ok
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Greed.
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MonteQuest
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 5:31 pm |
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clv101 wrote: Wow - just listened to that MP3. Incredible... that was pretty much the answer. What went wrong? Why didn't it pan out like that?
He failed to be reelected and fell to defeat by Ronald Reagan and the Republican Reaganomics. Reagan cut taxes and increased deficit spending that spurred the economy and got us out of double digit interest rates, but it also moved us from the largest creditor to the largest debtor nation and just put off paying the piper until a later date. He rescinded Carter's executive orders and removed the solar panels from the White House roof. This speech was also called the Malaise Speech and is largely credited with his defeat by Reagan.
_________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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jato
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 7:24 pm |
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Joined: Sat Aug 14, 2004 12:00 am Posts: 1999 Location: San Diego, Ca.
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Thanks MQ. This is good stuff. I was just a little kid in 1979. Going to listen to the MP3 now.
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Cool Hand Linc
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Post subject: Interesting Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:11 pm |
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Its funny how many thought Carter to be weak but he actually showed great strength to tell the people what they needed to hear.
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MonteQuest
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Post subject: Re: Interesting Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:59 pm |
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MissingLink wrote: Its funny how many thought Carter to be weak but he actually showed great strength to tell the people what they needed to hear.
Most conservatives have considered Jimmy Carter to be the “sorriest president our nation has ever endured, but his noteworthy administration's achievements included a comprehensive energy program conducted by a new Department of Energy; deregulation in energy, transportation, communications, and finance; major educational programs under a new Department of Education; and major environmental protection legislation, including the Alaska Lands Act which doubled the size of the National Park system.
Jimmy Carter has been by far the most active ex-president in recent American history and was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts. He is universally known throughout the world as one of America's greatest statesmen. Post peak-oil history may show him to be one of our greatest Presidents with a vision far ahead of his time, or more appropriately, right on time. He had a world view well worth considering, albeit it was, and still is, anathema to most Americans, about 51% by last vote.
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0mar
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 10:07 pm |
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It seems to me that economists will be regarded as the nazis in the future. They are primarily the ones who encouraged exploitation and competition all in the name of a theory. We had sensible people telling us to diversify our energy portfolio for nearly 50 years now. Even back in the fifties, there was a sizable number of people who knew there were limits to growth and more importantly now, natural resources are finite.
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Cool Hand Linc
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Post subject: Pull your head out Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:12 am |
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Pull your head out MQ. I'm part of the 51% you refer too. Most Conservatives? I don't think so. Maybe the conservatives who are most vocal. Oh ya that doesn’t follow along with your agenda.
Omar, to have the luxury of history on your side and criticize people of the past is rather hypocritical. Nazi’s! Come on. You show your stupidity when you make such a comparison. If the Nazi’s were in control. This web site would not exist. The “Nazi’sâ€
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0mar
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 8:17 am |
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Economists are the same as Ingsoc. They look at the objective facts and objective reality and twist it so it suits their purposes. And when they bring us so close to the edge (I do believe that most of the ill economic policies will be repealed a few years after the peak, once it is shown that captalism is running its wheels in the mud) willingly and against all the facts, I think that is as close to Nazism as the modern world can get.
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MonteQuest
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Post subject: Re: Pull your head out Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:30 pm |
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MissingLink wrote: Quote: Pull your head out MQ. I'm part of the 51% you refer too. Most Conservatives? I don't think so. Maybe the conservatives who are most vocal. Oh ya that doesn’t follow along with your agenda.
My paragraph wasn't aimed at you, ML. Among those 51% are Democrats and Independents, too. But I would wager that most of the 51% are conservatives. When given a choice between reelecting Carter and choosing Reagan in 1981, most conservatives chose Reagan. Did you vote for Reagan or Carter? Most conservatives and many liberals consider Carter to have been a very poor President. In some circles he is considered a traitor to his country.
Carter emphasized ecology, conservation and enviromental protection, efficiency in government, and the removal of racial barriers. He was a multi-lateralist and put great credence in diplomacy. Carter was determined to free the nation from dependency on foreign oil by encouraging alternate energy sources and deregulating domestic oil pricing. Since Bush embraces none of these concepts, I think it is fair to say that most Americans find these concepts anathema having voted for an imperialist administration devoted to unilateralism, canceling treaties, violating International law, drilling ANWR, and rolling back environmental legislation achievements to the detriment of us all. We can do a poll in the open forum and find out if most conservatives think Carter was the sorriest President they ever had to endure.
[quote]The Nazi’s would take a conspiracy nut like MQ and lock him up or torture him. The people who are out spoken would get the “cutâ€
_________________ A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Cool Hand Linc
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Post subject: Sorry Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:03 pm |
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Sorry MQ
I got started reading you book. You really seem to have it all figured out.
I guess I wrote here what I was thinking while I’ve been reading your book. Conspiracy nut, Anti-establishment, anti-republican, etc.
I should have kept this to myself until I post the review. I apologize.
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MonteQuest
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Post subject: Re: Sorry Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 7:52 pm |
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MissingLink wrote: Sorry MQ
I got started reading you book. You really seem to have it all figured out.
I guess I wrote here what I was thinking while I’ve been reading your book. Conspiracy nut, Anti-establishment, anti-republican, etc.
I should have kept this to myself until I post the review. I apologize.
Sounds like an early review right here! LOL! Anti-republican? You get that from my book? Wait until you see how I trash Roosevelt during WWII.
MQ
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